February 8, 2007
Chinese football team goes to UK, fights break out everywhere
Yet another black eye (and apparently also a broken jaw and an unconscious player) to China’s national football team, this one happened yesterday in London and featured an all out brawl between the Chinese team and the Queens Park Rangers, a division one professional team in the English football system. IHT reports:
The fight Wednesday at Queens Park Rangers' training facility forced the match to be abandoned with Queens Park winning 2-1 about 15 minutes from the end. Chinese player Zheng Tao was knocked unconscious in the brawl and may have a broken jaw.Chinese striker Gao Lin, who was involved in the initial incident that sparked the fight, is being sent back to China, Titan(a Beijing based sports publication) said.
Footage of the fight aired Thursday by Hong Kong's Cable TV showed Gao throwing downward punches after being picked up by a Rangers player. Both players fell to the ground, then others joined the fight.
We learned more from this Chinese article:
骚乱发生在下半时第32分钟。郜林在前场与对方两名中卫争高空球，对方有一个小动作，被激怒了的郜林落地之后转身推了对方一把。但没想到对方中后卫早有防备，低身躲过郜林的推搡，并顺势将郜林抱了起来，重重摔在地上。顿时形势乱了起来。国奥队员见郜林被摔在地，赶紧冲了上去。 殴斗开始了！
Translation: While going for a header, a Chinese player (Gao) was shoved by a QPR midfielder. When Gao later pushed back, the QPR player picked him up and threw him to the ground. Mayhem ensues!
This apparently isn’t an isolated incident. More from IHT:
In a practice game against Chelsea's reserve team earlier this week, Chinese player Dai Lin was awarded a red card and sent off in a match that also featured pushing and shoving
Maybe there is hope for Chinese football yet, we hear Mike Ditka is rumored to be the next head coach.
The Chinese national team is on a two week exhibition tour in UK, invited by Premier League club Chelsea.
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Apparently the Chinese side forgets that they are not in China and no angry mob is going to come to their aid. Nice spin by the chinese press even though it completely contradicts the video.
More fuel for the next Boxer Rebellion!
Got a link to the video?
From what I saw on news, the QPR boys had been putting some fairly crunching tackles in throughout the game, but that's English football for you. And the lower down the divisions you go, the more physical it gets.
The flare up for the the fight was when the defender marking the Chinese striker clipped his heels when the ball was miles away. Not exactly legal, but again a fairly typical English footie thing done to wind up the striker, get in his head. And then came a display of typical Chinese mental toughness, because the wind up totally worked: the striker whirled round and tried to punch the defender. They start grappling, the striker gets picked up and thrown to the ground. and then everyone joins in. The Chinese striker gets knocked out and his jaw broken.
Not English football's proudest moment - and there's plenty of 'previous' let's face it. But the rough stuff is par for the course in lower league football there. And if the Chinese players can't handle anything more physical than a 'fight' where everyone waves their arms and yells and then gets pulled away by their buddies, then...don't go on tour to the UK guys! Go somewhere like one of those tiny Arab or S-E Asian countries you love thrashing in World Cup Qualifiers.
Not to worry, they can do another one of their internet lynch mob things now to restore hurt national feelings!
Poor citizens of the great British empire:
Your time is over....never live in dreams, and the 21st century never belongs to you. Is it so funny to be a dog of another country? Sigh...
I can imagine the next few weeks will be a little rough for british expats in "super-dooper all mighty center of the world capitalists' paradise future and rightful ruler of the world".
Because everyone looks down on China.
>Poor citizens of the great British empire:
>Your time is over....never live in dreams, and the >21st century never belongs to you. Is it so funny >to be a dog of another country? Sigh...
Our time is over, yet you are busy learning our language. Without it you would be nothing.
Funny, that.
R u ashamed, Bob? The reason I use English rathern than use Chinese is I am quite sure you never know any character of Chinese, do not you?
The video is on YouTube and he certainly wasn't going for a header when the fight broke out.
Yeah, but Chinese is a very primitive language without an alphabet and only rudimentary grammar. Children must spend years of their early development just to learn how to write this language. That, and it is perhaps the most unpleasant sounding language in existence.
How has such rubbish persisted for so long?
Also it was not QPR, but QPR reserves side.
The Chinese team have sent 7 players home and apologised.
>Your time is over....never live in dreams, and the >21st century never belongs to you. Is it so funny >to be a dog of another country? Sigh...
and yet China rushes so fast to change itself to join our world. Cars, Railways, Computers, Big Buildings, Western Businesses and financial systems, Cranes, electricity grids etc...and that is just out of my window.
who is the dog of another country? Who is the dog desperately trying to catch up with a system that defeated its own system (which was belatedly copied from Russia? - much like the Shenzhou Space missions)
If somebody is desperately untutored for the culture and language of a great nation, I am astonished that he so louadly talks about it in public.
For Janet, maybe you are enjoying the modern technologies you have already own...but, is it wrong that these things are also owned by the commonest people in our country? Furthermore, are all these so-called advanced things solely developped by England? By you? What a joke!
My conclusion is: before you so silly call the Chinese football fans as "mob" - that is the reason make me so angry - wash your dirty ass and retreat your army from other countries, and return the treasures you shamelessly robbed from the Forbidden City...
References for those people still living in the 19th century:
1. The rubbish "The Times"?
2. A very primitive American girl
References for those people still living in the 19th century:
1. The rubbish "The Times"?
gb.chinareviewnews.com/doc/1003/0/6/4/100306406.html?coluid=48&kindid=0&docid=100306406
2. A very primitive American girl
gb.chinareviewnews.com/doc/1003/0/6/1/100306124.html?coluid=49&kindid=972&docid=100306124
Just look at the pictures. I know your primitive computer can never display Chinese, if its master is still living in an ancient time.
Just look at the pictures. I know your primitive computer can never display Chinese, if its master is still living in an ancient time.
References for those who are still living in the 19th century:
1. The rubbish "The Times"?
gb.chinareviewnews.com/doc/1003/0/6/4/100306406.html?coluid=48&kindid=0&docid=100306406
2. A very primitive American girl
gb.chinareviewnews.com/doc/1003/0/6/1/100306124.html?coluid=49&kindid=972&docid=100306124
Just look at the pictures. I know your primitive computer can never display Chinese, if its master is still living in an ancient time.
Just look at the pictures. I know your primitive computer can never display Chinese, if its master is still living in an ancient time.
Another batter again!
Watch what the Wild QPR team did on Feb 10 when their opponents is not a Chinese team now....Shameless and rubbish QPR!
1. Chairman Mao refused SU's request to establish a long-wave radio base in China
2. China-SU relation completely deteriated in the end of 1950s, no more than 10 years after the establishment of New China.
3. A War between China and SU in 1969. A distroyed Tank now exhibited in Beijing Military Museum.
4. China condemned SU's invasion to Afghanistan in 1979.
5. China fighted again Viet Nam in 1980s, which was supported by SU.
6. SU collapsed, and China says NO.
7. Russia and China...Dog? R u joking?
China is full of angry men, desperate for any sort of affection, so a football squad seeks some human touch from UK footballers.
China is dying of thirst, it will soon be everyone's dog, and expat executives are already in place to assume territorial control of the middle kingdom.
Everytime you see an foreign businessman, practice your kowtowing.
Go to hell, grandson of opium seller and robber - how shameless your ancestors have done in China!
Forget your wizard-lick prediction, which never realized in the past centuries...
Finally, i would help you to recall how confusedly HMS Amethystthe, the final british warship in China, ran away from Yangzi River. This, is your destiny, you should have already realized the sorrow of a falling empire. Let me comfort your deeply hurt heart and dignity Hahahahaha!!!
It's funny the way that Chinese (even Chinese whose parents are too young to have experienced it) always talk with bitterness about have been so "humiliated" by the foreigners, when the domestic incompetence and corruption would do. Look at Hong Kong--the one place that remained under British governance is now one of the richest and most modern cities in the world... But it's so humiliating!
Can you imagine what Shanghai have been?
Look at Hong Kong before 1949, managed by the Great Empire for near 100 year: poverty, poverty, and poverty...
Why did Hong Kong rise so rapidly? Where was its democracy in 150 years? Its governor was nominated by a queen, was not it? Read more historic book, OK?
BTW, if the CNY:USD ratio steadily increases, the living conditions in most large Chinese cities will rapidly approach that of Hong Kong.
Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
The region of Hong Kong, which had long been barren, rocky, and sparsely settled—its many islands and inlets a haven for coastal pirates—was occupied by the British during the Opium War (1839–42). The colony prospered as an east-west trading center, the commercial gateway to, and distribution center for, S China. It was efficiently governed, and its banking, insurance, and shipping services quickly became known as the most reliable in SE Asia. In 1921 the British agreed to limit the fortifications of the colony, and this contributed to its easy conquest (Dec. 25, 1941) by the Japanese. It was reoccupied by the British on Sept. 16, 1945.
www.answers.com/topic/hong-kong
"Forget your wizard-lick prediction"? For the love of god, will you imbeciles stop using our language and just type some fancy characters to look at? I need some tattoo ideas for the moment.
eswn has translated a piece of testimony by an on-site sports journalist:
www zonaeuropa com/20070210_1
don't you think there is a relationship between the racist sentiment displayed in some of the comments above and the reason why QPR players couldn't control their temper?
It's shameful and frightening how few cool heads there are amongst the readership. Both sides.
i know lots of shanghaiist readers who are cool heads. so cool, in fact, that they don't feel the need to leave silly comments. never judge a blog by its commenters.
Evidences of racism:
"angry mob" in comment 1,
" Go somewhere like one of those tiny Arab or S-E Asian countries you love thrashing in World Cup Qualifiers" in comment 2
I am just astonished why the administrator here did not delete these notorous sentences.
As for Hong Kong, forget your wonderful achievements before 1949 - Shanghai was much much more outstanding in Far East then!
A more convincing proof is India, where you planted opinium and sold it to China. The poor indians became the poorest slaves in the 19 and 20 centuries!
And more countries ever shamelessly occupied by the Empire: Iraq, Afganistan....what you brought to them? War, hungry, rape, heavy taxes,...anything else? Iraq became a strong country after independence, and now your troops again distroyed this country, for what? God bless you and let you find any convincing proofs there!
One more fact you silly head will never understand: Hong kong, before 1997, had already controlled by Chinese underneath societies, and it was Chinese there achieved the economic growth. Your foolish governers could do nothing but hoggishly collecting numerous taxes to your queen to support their luxery lives!
I have never heard of this Shanghaiist before, I just googled and came here.
I know "speech freedom" is the core value of your country, and also an excuse to attack our country.
But I was dispointed that such a basic human right is limited only for your citizen. My further comments containing some historic facts were deleted without any explanation.
So, Bye Bye!
Right, I'll judge it by the lack of not unintelligent comments and assume that those people who choose not to comment would have something really intelligent and insightful to say or have better things to do. Of course, that assumption is absurd.
The fact that so few amongst the readership have anything useful to add in response to the above says plenty about the readership, which as of this posting is one fewer.
Marcus,
It could be that the silent majority of Shanghaiist readers are strict followers of Formosa's Law: "the truly insane have enough on their plates without us adding to it."
Although biggoted generalizations and erroneous "historical" diatribes are enough to exasperate and enrage anyone who has spent a grand total of ten minutes surfing the internet, if I may be so bold as to speak for the silent majority, we just wait until one side compares the other to Hitler so we can move on already.
In any case, it seems just as silly to condemn people who might not even exist for their silence as it does to praise them for it.
But you're not even here anymore so who am I talking to...
@ byebye
We don't censor comments on Shanghaiist. Your comment (if you also go by the name "More funny") got flagged by our SPAM filter. I am assuming it was the word "rape" that caused the holdup, since lots of spammers like to post comments about their awesome rape video websites. Anyway, sorry for the delay -- I am on vacation. Your comment is up now.
Dan
@More funny:
And what has China done for the countries it occupies? Tibet, eastern Turkmenistan, southern Mongolia? Nothing but pollution, resource stealing, complete subjegation, corruption and abuse.
"And what has China done for the countries it occupies? Tibet, eastern Turkmenistan, southern Mongolia? Nothing but pollution, resource stealing, complete subjegation, corruption and abuse."
Amen to that.
"Nothing but pollution, resource stealing, complete subjegation, corruption and abuse." Aren't these exactly what England had done for hundreds of years prior? Even just 50 years ago England imprisoned someone as famous as Turing for homosexuality. At least China did not enslave those it had conquered.
And to the moron who said Chinese doesn't even have an alphabet and has a simple grammar as derogatory; England didn't invent the alphabet, England didn't invent writing, it was all copied. And the English grammar is really simple compared to languages in continental Europe. Heck the Navajo language would make all the languages of Europe look like child's play. Yet you associate language complexity as something of high merit. Stupid.
UK did that 50 years ago, China still does that today, even so far as to commit gays as "mentally ill". I imagine a Chinese mental institution is just a ball, especially for someone who has no mental illness. China doesn't enslave those it conquers? Today, the natives of the occupied territories around China, even the minorities that were conquered long ago, must go through their Han masters for any kind of business loan. Political aspirations? Forget about it. Just keep making toys for tourists and shining shoes.
Bad, bad china.
nanheyangrouchuan must be a gay! LOL
Let me forward you the healthcare number if you could let me know your location.
Ya..UK doing very well, but yet their Lotus have to be sold to Malaysian car maker, UK is like a dog of American...
After all of the bluster, the China men's soccer team will look even more foolish when getting pummeled by the UK, US, Japan, SK and Sri Lanka on the pitch during the Beijing Olympics. Then all of those teams will go out and score with chinese girls.
Thank you, Dan.
Thank you so much. I should have used words more cautiously, and I fully understand the spam-filtering rules of your system.
I just hope this website will allow the historic facts and justice speak out loadly, rather than racism, prejudience, and rumors.
@angry
You can agree or disagree that grammar is one of the fundamental ways in which people are taught to think and draw your own conclusions based upon that--that issue is debatable--but by definition, the lack of an alphabet sets Chinese among the world's most primitive languages. As I mentioned before, it requires years of children's lives just to learn how to write the thousands of characters necessary to be literate. I would argue that this is highly formative of the Chinese people's...er, mentality and if only by the measure of sheer efficiency, China should switch to English.
Even my son in the primary school can also tell you what they are learning about...sign, why dont you study in a Chinese primary school for a few years? I am tried of teaching brainless guys like you.
Likewise, I am tired of Chinese who cannot formulate a proper argument.
BTW, If he's in a good school, then I am sure he's learning English!
His son in primary school (even a good one) will speak english and shanghainese but not mandarin.
i can see a lot of rich men and wise guy don't speak or write excellent english like nanheyangrouchuan does. Anyhow, i can see why they are gaining more respect than most of us here. A respected man should be able to analyze the whole situation well to give everybody his fair opinion on the issue but not raising out the weaknesses of their opponents not related at all to the argument. How can we criticize something that we have no knowledge in it at all, am i right nanheyangrouchuan?
Makes sense to me, but I am just an insult trader.
To be fair, I think that the Chinese language is very efficient in expressing some concepts, while very cumbersome in other aspects--especially in its written form.
Of course, China converting to English is not a serious suggestion. It looks like the country is headed for dual system a la Hong Kong.
i can see many other languages that is far worse than Chinese/ mandarin in term of its complicated characters and grammar. Why leveraging the opportunity to attack Chinese in this case?
A fair comment here, academic education of sportman in Asia is generally lower than other atheletes in Europe or America. It is maybe one of the reasons that Asian sportman don't handle well in a lot of tense situation besides throwing out their punches to vent their anger. Language is another main reason. It would maybe not end up in fighting if the chinese lad had the ability to have the verbal arguments with the blacks. Nothing he could do to provoke the niggers but doing something which is stupid enough to cause himself and his country in shame.
I don't think any language can be singled out as being "less" or "more" capable than any other language. But in the case of mandarin (a secondary language for everyone in China except the northeast), the authoritarian control of how the language was taught gave it less flexibility. My experience has taught me that I can basically break many more grammar rules in mandarin when speaking to someone under the age of 40, while the baby boomers require the exact form and flow that they were taught. I'll bet the dialects (such as shanghainese) have had no such restrictions so expression may be more open and communication easier when grammar rules are not explicitly followed.
As for why asian men get in alot of fights in tense situations, well, beyond some mudthrowing, I'd lay down the following blanket assessment (I like to paint with a broad brush, allows me to cover more area in less time).
These east asian cultures all push holding in your emotions for various reasons (like obedience and defference to authority, power and age). Well, those emotions don't go away, you build up negative and positive feelings and the negative ones linger, so when agitated in just the right way, all of those built-up feelings explode out into the open.
For the one chinese footballer who got into the first fight, maybe he just got sick of the defender poking him. In that case he can't control his temper under stress. OR in addition to constant poking and pushing, felt that he was "being looked down upon as a chinese man" and lashed out ( I wonder where he learned that he was always looked down upon?). The rest of the chinese bench joining in was overkill and I'd suspect their participation was driven in part because of feelings of national and ethnic pride as well as showing they can fight because they all have been taught that they are looked down upon.
After I watched this video, I felt shame on this QPR, F.... Brits.... Why they always use the black dogs for their low class sports? the 19th century is over, now is 21st, British, you have nothign can be proud for now!
If you're an American , I'm a Dutchman.
Not having an alphabet is stupid and primitive, period.
@ying. As an African American, I take issue with your use of the N word. Punk.
D.Davis
@incheef. ever thought that you might be the stupid (and primitive) one for not understanding anything other than alphabets. Also as I understand it, doesn't the Chinese language have an alphabet system for aiding dumbasses like you. I believe it's called pingying.
No, I've never thought that because it just a stupid world game. Gee, stupid, have you ever thought how smart it is to be stupid???
Chinese is also primitive when it comes to tenses and pluralization. BTW, it's "Pinyin," not "Pinying."
Oh, that's "word game." So sorry, my English very poor.
It's a conceptual matter. By definition, modern languages have certain attributes, an alphabet being one of the most basic. Chinese is a primitive language. You see a dog, so you draw a picture of a dog, and that drawing comes to represent both dog-object and the spoken word meaning "dog." However, there is no logical connection between the spoken and written form in Chinese.
Say,
A = written word
B = meaning of the world
C = pronunciation of the word
In English and modern language (and even not-so-modern languages), there are logical connections between each component (this won't show-up very well, but I am trying to make a tree-like structure):
A
/ \
B - C
A is connected to B, B to C, and C to A. There is a complete circuit of meaning.
In Chinese, however, the connections are only
A
/
B - C
A is connected to B, B to C, but NOT C to A. This is more complicated, and less meaningful.
Sorry. You can be as angry as you like, but it won't change anything.
Excuse me, but i do not think you understand the Chinese language at all. If all that requires of a modern language is a logical connection between the spoken and written form, then you can find that in Chinese. Though I'm not an expert on the Chinese language, I know the Chinese characters are made up of simple characters and compiled characters (which are basically characters consisting a simple character