Interview: Gil Kim, US player in the China Baseball League

gilkim072007.jpgGil Kim is a professional baseball player from Pottsville, Pennsylvania, which we are sure you all know is the home of Yuengling Lager (and is not too far from Bloomsburg, which we are sure you know is home to the Bloomsburg Fair). After graduating from Vanderbilt University, where he was "primarily a role player," Kim spent 2006 playing with the Omron
Pioniers
, a minor league team in Amsterdam, Netherlands. In 2007, he was signed by the Beijing Tigers of the China Baseball League (more info here). The CBL season already over, Kim recently answered some of our questions via email.

Thanks to a story we wrote in the SCMP a few years back, we still get occasional emails from young baseball players wondering how they can play in the Chinese league. Please tell us how it happened for you, so we know how to respond to those emails (actually we’ll just start forwarding them on to you).

It was the second week of April, and I was sitting in the basement of my parents’ Pennsylvania home when I received a phone call from a Beijing Tigers representative, who presented me with an offer to come to China and play some baseball. I did not know much about Beijing or the China Baseball League, and I had absolutely zero knowledge of the Mandarin Chinese language. All I knew was that the Beijing Tigers were offering me the chance to play professional baseball, and that was the only reason I needed. So three weeks after representatives from the Tigers contacted me, I packed a few bags and flew halfway around the world.

Any information regarding the CBL was extremely difficult to find. After I graduated from Vanderbilt in 2005, I scoured the internet for hours upon hours just to try and find any way to contact teams in China. I finally read your articles about the Shanghai team on shanghaidiaries.com and decided to cold contact you with an email. You put me in touch with Tom McCarthy, who founded the league back in 2002, who in turn put me in contact with Ding Feng of the Chinese Baseball Association. Nothing came about for the 2006 season, but I contacted Ding Feng again before the 2007 season. Together with Shen Wei, also with the CBA, they basically gave my information to the Beijing team. Even the best international baseball agents had little contact with the CBL, so I was just fortunate enough to receive a tremendous amount of assistance from people I had never even met.

Oh, happy to be of help. So … pro baseball in China. What were you expecting?

I came to China with little knowledge of what I was getting myself into, and it did not take long for me to realize that this would be one of the most unique experiences of my life. At the time, most of my former Vanderbilt teammates were playing professional baseball with their respective Major League organizations, living with host families or rented apartments in towns like Lynchburg, VA, Manchester, NH, and Mobile, AL, to name a few. They were busy playing games just about every night of the week, a demanding schedule that without a doubt requires the utmost of dedication and commitment.

And in China?

Playing professional baseball in China requires the same level of dedication and commitment, albeit through quite a different structure and season schedule. Every one of our players lived on the campus of the Beijing 3rd Sports School in the Daxing Lucheng district. Everyday began with a 7:15 A.M. line-up meeting and team stretch, and by 7:30 we were in the dining hall for our team breakfast. In the CBL, we played only three games a week, and spent our “off days” training, with two hours of fielding practice in the morning followed by two hours of batting practice in the afternoon. We ate lunch at 11:30 A.M., and dinner at 5:30 P.M. An occasional evening batting practice or strength training session was not all that unusual. The structure and lifestyle of professional baseball in China was unlike anything I had ever experienced, yet I welcomed these differences with an open mind and an eagerness to learn the “Chinese way.” And while my former college teammates were able to verbally communicate with their fellow teammates and coaches, the language barrier I faced with the Tigers – the majority of the team could not speak English – presented quite an additional challenge.

gilkim072007b.jpgTell us about your first game.

We traveled to Guangzhou my first weekend to square off against the Guangdong Leopards. Whether you’re playing baseball in the U.S. or in China, it’s still the same game. We had solid starting pitching, played strong defense, and put the ball in play on offense all weekend, coming home with two victories from a strong Guangdong squad. Among the differences that stood out, I noticed that each team’s pitchers continued to throw and stay loose in between each inning. Our two power hitters were both called on for sacrifice bunts, sometimes as early as the first inning. Every hitter tipped his cap to the umpire before the at bat, and the fans were treated to a performance by an all-female dance team, which replaced the traditional 7th inning stretch. These subtle differences were interesting and fun, although I’d have to say that I didn’t particularly enjoy the Backstreet Boys selections blaring through the stadium in between each inning.

So how would you describe the level of play in the China Baseball League? Any players we should pick up on our fantasy teams?

Before I came to China, I had heard that the level of talent in the CBL was not very high. While the overall depth of talent was lacking, there sure were some very skilled players. In that first weekend in Guangzhou, I noticed that Jia Yu Bing, the Beijing DH, seemed to crush every single pitch that was thrown to him. He’d hit the ball hard to all fields, and he showed the confidence and patience of a veteran hitter. I also noticed a tall, lanky left-handed pitcher from Guangdong. He threw his fastball in the mid-80s, located his pitches well, and delivered the ball with such an easy and effortless motion. His name was Liu Kai, and he showed the poise of a pitcher well beyond his 19 years of age. I was not surprised at all in late June when I heard the news that Jia and Liu had been signed to minor league contracts with the Seattle Mariners and the New York Yankees, respectively.

The Mariners also signed 28 year-old power-hitting Beijing Catcher Wang Wei. As one of the few English speakers on the team, Wang was a very good friend of mine, and was recovering from off-season elbow surgery. Wang had a tremendous work ethic, the impressive power to be able to hit balls out of the park in simple short-toss drills, and a great attitude. All three of these players will surely encounter some obstacles when they begin their playing careers in the U.S., but regardless of their success, they will serve an important role in China’s baseball development. The Chinese people now have some of their own to root for in Major League Baseball, and from knowing each of these players personally, I can safely say that Major League Baseball has found three great role models for China’s young ballplayers, not only for their talent, but for their dedication and attitude as well.

So overall, what would you compare the CBL talent level to? AA? A? College?

That’s very tough to say. If I had to pick one level, I would probably compare it to rookie-level minor league baseball in the U.S. The CBL possesses some very talented ballplayers who have a lot of potential, but because of the short 30-game season and the fact that baseball in China is still a relatively new project, you’ll see a lot of mistakes that have less to do with sheer talent than they do with a simple lack of game experience. So you’ll see misjudged fly balls, base running mistakes, and small lapses in concentration … those are all things that you will see at any level, but you’ll see that a lot more taking in a rookie-league game than one at say, the AA level. But one of the reasons this question is so difficult to answer is that the depth of talent in the CBL is not very strong, again stemming from the short season and the lack of development of the game – since kids in China don’t grow up with baseball as their “national pastime,” there just isn’t a large number of baseball players in China that the CBL is able to recruit from, especially when you compare those numbers to the total population.

In the United States, the general consensus is that the top tier of NCAA baseball is equivalent in terms of talent to the Single A minor league level. So when I say that, for example, the Southeastern Conference college baseball in the U.S. is higher than the CBL, that’s not a demeaning statement by any means.

What do you think the future holds for Chinese baseball?

After just one week in China, I was able to understand the reasoning behind Major League Baseball’s investment to develop the game in China. In China, most of the professional baseball players don't get paid too much. When the season finishes in July, they are back training twice a day, Monday through Friday, from July until April, all for a 30-game season. The players never complained, were quick to flash a smile, and would run through the Great Wall if their coach told them to do so.

And while the game has been developed for many years in Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan – neighboring Asian countries that have all produced Major League-level talent — you can’t help but wonder what would ensue should a nation of over 1.3 billion people embrace baseball in the same way that their significantly less-populated neighbors have.

We have been told that CBL players get paid around $250 a month. How much did you make? (It’s OK, we ask questions like that in China.)

I was paid 2,000 RMB per month, which I believe is also roughly equivalent to $250 U.S./month. That figure, however, can easily be misconstrued by Americans because my housing and my meals were all part of the salary – in the U.S., those costs are typically not covered by a Major League organization’s salary. Additionally, I found that $250 U.S. goes a lot, lot further in China than it does in the U.S., so I actually lived very comfortably.

Will you be back next year? Maybe with the Shanghai Eagles?

I would love the opportunity to come back and play in China. Obviously I would prefer to play with the Beijing team again because I had such a wonderful experience with their organization this past season – everything was first-class and they treated me better than I could have ever asked. With that being said, I think the CBL as a whole is something that I would really like to continue to be a part of, so if nothing worked out with Beijing, I would definitely be up for spending some time in Shanghai!

Thank, Gil. We'll look for you at Congbei Stadium next year.

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We'll see how wonderful this new experience is for him if he ends up on the DL or there is a dispute at the end of his contract (hey, where's my passport?).

nanheyangrouchuan

shiskebab,

have you ever wondered if you're an idiot, or why you are acting like one? do you realize you regularly and habitually display cognitive distortions on this site?

i hope i'll never meet you. i hope you leave soon.

there is hope out there: calm down, question your thoughts, and maybe if you leave the country you're hating on so much your insanity will devolve.

for starters, try mint tea.

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Nanheyangrouchan is actually quite smart and very well-informed, if you read his posts and have some background knowledge of contemporary China. Yes, he takes a negative slant to things but my understanding is that he has very personal reasons to dislike the party.

He lives in America, too, I think. His 'insanity will devolve' when China cleans up its act.

I've been reading his posts for a few years now and while at one time I thought they were annoying, now I look upon them with something like affection.

He is right, a lot of the time.

Nanheyangrouchan has every right and reason to criticise China. If you were really familiar with his case - which he has revealed through his comments over the years - you would not deny him his voice.

i have studied modern chinese history and hate corruption and impunity also.

nanheyangrouchuan ONLY posts negative comments and there is an obsessive and predictable (low) quality to them.

i'm not sure he reads and speaks Chinese either.

he is mostly right in principle, but he certainly appears deranged to me.

i don't mean to deny him his voice, but pasting articles from FT into the comments section on a totally unrelated topic is unusual, if not ridiculous. "the ccp, pla, officials" bla bla bla..., if he is based in the US that makes his rant even more sterile, white noise. he doesn't add any insight or analysis to the conversations.

unless he is a Chinese dissident abroad (highly unlikely) i stand by my strong dislike for this character. paranoid is what he appears to be.

#2

I love mint tea, especially a mix of spearmint and peppermint.

As for leaving China, I'd rather stay and say things no one wants to hear or talk about.

:-P

nanheyangrouchuan

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I think it comes back to ignorance. In the latest issue of Wired magazine they ran a poll, asking three simple questions (who is Scooter Libby, who is the President of Russia, what are the two main branches of Islam)to ten different kinds of Americans (ranging from those who self-identified as getting their information from places as disparate as CNN.com to Fox News to the Daily Show (a joke / spoof news program). These are people who vote and claim to pay attention to what's around them. Fox news, watched by ignorant hick Republicans, scored the lowest of the ten kinds of people, below those that watch joke news casts and get their news from Yahoo.com. 29% knew who Scooter Libby was. These are the same people that throw their support behind Bush and his policies.

In a similar way, many expats living in SH and China (Oh my God, China is FANtastic! I can drink from a bottle on the streets and nobody cares! Oh my God, what's going on at Bar Rouge tonight!) have little or no knowledge of the massive injustices being perpetrated in this country, whether concerning certain western provinces, worker rights, environment, corruption - I mean, the list is daunting. Sites like Shanghaiist take an ironic, superficial view to things (I love this site, but it's rarely in depth) because it's purpose is to entertain. Nan's purpose is to educate. Read those articles he links to, then decide for yourself about their content.

In a democracy, Nan's role is considered invaluable. In a cruel authoritarian dictatorship, even more so. We all make a personal choice to live here, and we all have to that we are tacitly supporting this government's policies by remaining. Some things Nan has posted have made me look in the mirror and question my decision to be here, and that I think is very important.

Thanks, Alec. If only Pipi from sinocidal would throw me a bone once in a while :-(

shanghaiist is about food and music and variouscity news. supericial? yes.

zonaeuropa, for example, has a different agenda.peijin i thought used to write interesting social commentary.

the fact that you take the time to defend nanheyangrouchuan proves that he has his fans and his place.

I thought of him as always repetitive, rarely on point, never interesting, eternally simplistic and obnoxious. and my friends agree.

to each his own.

i lived in communism before and hate naheyangrouchuan just as much as i hate the commie despots.

look at that christmas comment thread. he's racist.

he's fucked up.

i'm SO sick of shishkebab. i would pay real currency to have his comments erased from my memory.

All he has said so far, I already knew, and I dislike the (absolutist, condescending) manner in which he says what he does.
add to that the mesianic belief he displays.

His agenda might actually be morally right, but an overwhelming unpleasant persona transpires through his posts.

ok, i promise myself to never read anything he posts.

If people don't like what I am saying, then I am saying the right things.

I imagine most of my detractors are Han chinese who are so thin skinned and proud that anything that makes them take their nose out of the sky is blunt racism, never mind all of the comments about dirty muslims and cave dwelling europeans. Beijing even has started to go so far as to fabricate history to compete with Egypt, Mesopotamia, Nubia and the Phoenicians.
Beijing's worst historical humiliation was the expedition to prove that E. Turkestan had been settled by Han chinese since neolithic times. After digging deep enough, the only thing that the big commie archaeologists could find where Caucasians, some still with blondish hair, wearing Persian ornaments.

As for foreigners who don't like me, they can just suck an egg. Many of them are living a lie and they know it. In China they are hot stuff because they have high positions, great salaries bolstered by the exchange rate and usually white skin. Back in the west (or Japan, or SK), they live in the suburbs and commute to work like everyone else. They have a comfortable but undistinguished life.

And most certainly back home they are not the object of desire of the majority of cute 20-somethings in their locale.

And the dark-hearted center of the expat universe are the chambers of commerce.

For foreigners like Alec who have second thoughts about their job and their company supporting the CCP and its "activities" in the name of profit, I would suggest letting your home country intelligence community what your company is up to in China (this applies mostly to westerners, Japanese, Russians, Koreans, Taiwanese and more recently, Indians). You don't have to be James Bond or the like, just walk in with CDs of emails, files, etc and walk an agent though the whole thing. If they pay you, great. If not, you are still doing your duty for home and hearth and keeping the CCP contained. Take pride in doing that much. You certainly don't want to be on a payroll because then you are on a list, and if you are on a list, some CCP loving panda-licker can "out" you. Then you end up on the organ donator list.

nanheyangrouchuan

This is about baseball and I for one am not going to allow NH's constant and unrelenting negativity mess that up for me.

First off, great post. Thanks for running it.

Seondly, kudos to you Mr. Kim for having the guts to do what you have done. If I had my life to lead all over again, I would have gone off to someplace like Turkey or Korea and played basketball after college. I had a friend who played pro tennis for two years and just broke even, but says it was the best years of his life because he got paid for doing something he loved. My hat (cap?) is off to you.

www.chinalawblog.com

NH is insane!!!

chambers of commerce are evil though.

Interesting story. I was disappointed to arrive in Shanghai after the season had ended, or I would have definitely come to see a game or two.

Gil, what's the fan base like for baseball in China? How's the attendance? Do you know what the CBL's plan is following the end of government support for baseball in China after the Olympics?

Dan,
I'm only offering a different point of view. Isn't that what all of you pro-business China lovers say when defending big commie all-migh-tee center of the universe and guardians of heaven?

nanheyangrouchuan

The large majority of NH's comments aren't any more in depth than "Hah, shit like this only happens in China. China sucks." To wit, his 2 posts before this one: "There is never too much China-bashing" and "Darn it all to heck. This is a classic candy like Tootsie Rolls or Bubble Yum and China still manages to screw it up." There's no real point being made, it's completely predictable, it's more being inane than being an ombudsman.

Micah Sittig had an interesting post about Chinese baseball, it's worth Googling.

suggesting readers to "walk in" with a CD of files and e-mails of China business at one's national intelligence service and "walk an agent through" is a totally, completely off the wall proposition.

sorry gil this debate took over the comments section to your interesting interview. but once again obnoxious NH took the stage with a typical douche comment and started this off.

best wishes to you, gil!

seems to me that shiskebab is just using this website to air his personal grievances... if that's the case then you're a hypocrite for using a cause like democracy...
yes i know the stuff they did and are still doing in china, in tibet, in xinjiang etc which is despicable and shameful... and if you're a true campaigner for democracy, why don't you offer us something slightly more insightful?
either way, why don't you just start your own campaign/blog/whatever, instead of trying to force your opinion/bitterness down everyone's throat through someone else's articles covering totally unrelated issues? i'd rather go watch some fox news than reading your rants - at least they can be funny on fox

#19, if that is the case why aren't you watching fox news instead of reading my posts? Seems you read more than a few to come up with that totally airheaded opinion of yours. Lacking in literary wit today?

nan the man

the only reason i read your tripe is because you attach them to these articles... i'm sure that's the only reason anyone would read them...
so you think you're full of wit do you? maybe instead of being a parasite on this site, you can start your own blog or something and see how much traffic you get eh?
#19

I'm sorry it as taken so long to reply to some of the comments, but here goes:

"NH" nanheyangronchuan posted:

"We'll see how wonderful this new experience is for him if he ends up on the DL or there is a dispute at the end of his contract (hey, where's my passport?)."

I was cleated in the second to last series against Tianjin, and I was put on the DL for the next three weeks.......the fourth weekend I was cleared to play but did not see any action, and since we lost to Guangdong in the first round of the playoffs, I basically spent the last month of the season on the DL. Whereas most professional teams would have sent me home since I would be of no use to them for the majority of the rest of the season, Beijing kept me on the roster and even travelled me to Jiangsu just to see the city. I have absolutley nothing but positive comments about my experience, and even when I couldn't play I still loved every second of it.

Guest from www.chinalawblog.com posted:

"Seondly, kudos to you Mr. Kim for having the guts to do what you have done. If I had my life to lead all over again, I would have gone off to someplace like Turkey or Korea and played basketball after college. I had a friend who played pro tennis for two years and just broke even, but says it was the best years of his life because he got paid for doing something he loved. My hat (cap?) is off to you."

I paid for my roundtrip to Beijing, so although I lived very comfortably while in China, I actually lost money by playing in the CBL. With that being said, I don't think your comments could have been any more accurate - getting the opportunity to play professional baseball and experience a new culture was worth every penny. I think a lot of times people can make life decisions primarily based upon financial factors. And while you obviously need some kind of financial support to enjoy life, the experiences I have had that have had the most positive impact on my life have been ones where the financial return was not as comfortable as most people would prefer. Thank you for bringing this perspective into light!

Baitianmu posted:

"Gil, what's the fan base like for baseball in China? How's the attendance? Do you know what the CBL's plan is following the end of government support for baseball in China after the Olympics?"

The fan base was not very strong, mostly due to the fact that going to a ballgame simply isn't a part of the culture. There were many games where fans would come just to learn what was going on. In Beijing, we would draw anywhere from 40 to 150 fans per game. The largest crowds I played in front of were in Guangdong, which were probably no more than 600 spectators. With that being said, I think the CBL does a great job of producing a unique atmosphere - the fans were loud, supportive, and enthusiastic, and there was a lot of effort from the CBL representatives to produce the most professional environment possible given the small fanbase.

While the Olympics in China are king, the CBL and the Chinese Baseball Association, I believe, will continue to develop the game following the Olympics. Backed with strong support from Major League Baseball and Nippon Professioal Baseball (Japan), my opinion is that China will continue to put forth a significant effort to enable the CBL to reach the levels of professional baseball in their neighboring Asian countries.

Gil

My name is Andrew Wilson. I recently returned to the U.S. from Israel working for the Israel Baseball League (IBL) as the Website & Communications Manager in the league's inaugural season. It was a great opportunity to help start a league from scratch in a non-traditional baseball area.

I was hoping you could provide me with any contact information for the CBL with one of the league reps.

Thanks for your help.

Sincerely,

Andrew Wilson

I know this post is very old and it may be difficult to get this information to Gil, but it's worth a try.

My name is Michael Duke. My wife and I are going to China in September of this year for our third adoption. We have two biological children and this will be our second boy. He is in a small town near Shanghai.

I am hoping you may have some information on the CBL for our trip. We think it would be a great opportunity to take Jian to a sporting event in China that will hopefully be something he enjoys as much as his brother and father do.

Does the CBL season last into September?

Will the Olympic Games change the 2008 schedule?

How can we get tickets, if the season is still going on?

Can we buy CBL uniforms, and if so where?

Any help you can give me would be great.

Thanks,

Mike and Becki Duke
d3654@indygov.org

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