Shanghaiist: Tibet Update: Enter ... Sina.com

bamboos

Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:23:43 +0800

Hi andy, i said i have a principle HERE, which i imply 'this website'. of course i will argue with Chinese people in different opinions if necessary, and I will argue with them in my native Chinese language, not here in English which i am not good at. my definition of Chinese is that they can at least speak and read in Chinese. Definition of Chinese --1) narrow definition of Chinese: all ethnic people who hold China citizenship(including HK, macao, and Taiwan) --2) broad definition of Chinese: including 1) + Overseas Chinese (people of Chinese ancestry who live outside China) so, personally, for those people who have lived aboard generations after generations, still have a Chinese face but cannot speak or read Chinese language, I do not think it is proper to name them as Chinese any more.

Andy Best

Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:07:52 +0800

Hi bamboos That is much better, because I have a principle here: I do not argue with Chinese in politics. Well. Do you mean people born in China or people who are ethnically Han Chinese? If the first then what about Tibetans who are protesting? Tibet is China, right? If the second, you think that anyone with a 'Chinese Face' thinks and feels the same thing. What about burglars or wife-beaters, for example? Are you saying that people of the same 'race' should stick together?

bamboos

Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:13:27 +0800

Littleme --Sorry to disappoint you, I have lived aboard for quite a few years, I know what you people think and feel. please be so kind do not lecture me on democracy and freedom, it is a waste of time, for your sake. Certain habits of living and ways of thinking are formed due to circumstance. I was a strong supporter of west ‘democracy and freedom’ before I left China, my parents called me traitor, the government named my generation as ‘the collapsed’ and US thought we could transform China into a totally different system. Interestingly, my patriotic view formed when I was aboard, same as most of my friends. …I am not capable to explain how it can happen because it is too complicated. need someone who is good at literature. --It seems you can read Chinese, because you visited Chinese SINA website in German, thanks for your consistent concern of China even when you are aboard, you still insist on reading news in Chinese. Then, my friend in German might joke to me, even the screenprint she sent me might be something made by photoshop, or maybe sina site accidentally has poor connection in German for quite a while? Alright, does not matter, you might be right. Anyway, God Is Watching. And you do believe god, right? or maybe you are a Chinese. That is much better, because I have a principle here: I donot argue with Chinese in politics. Well, I agree Beijing should unblock all websites. But I donot agree China to have the same ‘free media’ reporting as West. Period.

littleme

Sun, 06 Apr 2008 23:53:15 +0800

And that's why China will at no time soon ever have a free media bamboos. Germany, USA, Canada, all of Europe, Australia, ect. ect, all have free medias. Do you know what a free media means? Obviously not, because by the sounds of it you have never lived in a country that has a free media where people can speak their mind about an issue whether they agree with it or not. Rather than calling into question the media in other countries, try taking a look at the media within China. It's a bloody joke! And Sina is not blocked in Germany, i was there up until yesterday. Stop attempting to call into question the credibility of Western media only to make yourself feel better because you are stuck in a censored represive society in which freedom to speak freely doesnt exist.

Andy Best

Sun, 06 Apr 2008 23:38:59 +0800

Hi Bamboos The post provides two links (FAIR and Medialens) that have very detailed and measured criticism of the 'western media'. Medialens have a book called Guardians of Power: the myth of the liberal media. Sina.com are not providing criticism of western media - they are just rousing up patriotism. Serious media critics in 'the west' are very sceptical of CNN actually. The articles showing the photos in question were linked in full on this site in other posts. So I feel that between that, my commentary and the FAIR/Medialens links, there is enough for people to read around and make up their own mind.

bamboos

Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:11:46 +0800

sorry, i donot see the problem here. -- sina is a chinese website without government funding. he states very clearly on web that he is pleading for signature on one reason -- the bias of west media. as a reader, we can choose sign or not. Maybe, according to free media standard, sina should put in this way, a multiply choice questions such as option 1) west 'free' media reports are fair in tibet's roits; option 2) west 'free' medias are not fair. and then, if you choose option2, pls click below link to sign your name?? it is already the consensus that 'free' media is not fair, so why sina should run that multiply question tricky to pretend that we are 'impartial'??? -- it is for quite a few days that people in German can not browse SINA....while many other chinese websites are ok. hehe!! very interesting, 'free' media and 'democracy'. -- there are always a gap between ideal and reality. 'free' media has FAILED to set up a good example of 'fairness' to us. therefore, i donot see 'free' media is qualified to criticized China media. Both are imperfect in different ways. -- the picture of that pro-tibet activist is very attractive, very western-like-style, those pro-china protesters should learn from it. and Sina should also devote to improve its web art.

nanheyangrouchuan

Sun, 06 Apr 2008 08:05:07 +0800

If it was just one media outlet or a group of outlets from one country the criticism might be more justified, but to suggest a coordinated effort by two, no three continents (SK, Japan and Oz are in on this too) smacks of "foil hatism" by Beijing, which has a human rights record on par with quite a few African strongmen.