http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php All comments for Artistic rendition of the state of Sino-US relations by one Chinese netizen en-us 2008 shang_kenneth Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:20:41 +0700 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss kenneth@manifesto.com.cn kenneth@manifesto.com.cn 60 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1343170 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1343170 Comments Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:30:35 +0700 <p>nan.... filthy racist scumbag !</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1343153 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1343153 Comments Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:18:53 +0700 <p>This just shows that the best a Qin warrior can do is an old, fat, ugly french chick. And apparently he isn't strong enough to get her up on his lap.</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342988 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342988 Comments Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:08:41 +0700 <p>HAHAHAHAHAHA! TommyLee, you are a riot. Man this is good entertainment. Are you still a student? Or have you graduated and now live with your parents? Enlighten, please. </p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342954 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342954 Comments Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:23:51 +0700 <p>I've learnt from the WEST that when they make love to a woman, they sometimes does it to the other hole ! Come on, it is a shit hole. This is such an outragious act any human could have done ! Only the fucken barbarain could have even imagine and execute !! ANOTHER FUCKEN SICK THING FROM THE WESTERN WORLD You shit loving people</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342927 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342927 Comments Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:00:33 +0700 <p>I don't know, to me it looks like these two are making love, and she seems to be enjoying it too! It's not like he is doing her from behind, in the, you know, other hole.</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342920 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342920 Comments Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:34:21 +0700 <p>where is the fucken updating ?</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342905 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342905 Comments Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:54:11 +0700 <p>pretty urgly woman..pair of fat legs !! </p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342904 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342904 Comments Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:51:53 +0700 <p>shit !! </p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342865 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342865 Comments Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:01:08 +0700 <p>My first thought was that I'm amazed that the building's roof can support the combined weight of both statues.</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342671 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342671 Comments Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:50:51 +0700 <p>What is the price for this piece? Has it been sold already?</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342662 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342662 Comments Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:06:20 +0700 <p>@ Winterfalling: he didn't tell you to shut up, he asked you to stop being rude all the time</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342658 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342658 Comments Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:08:11 +0700 <p>".. it is just painting. enjoy the arts. Don't politicize everything." Hahaha, that comment really made my day! :D Brilliant..</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342656 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342656 Comments Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:29:03 +0700 <p>@Andy Best I don't mean that sweetie,...I would even help to massage your eyes if you are here beside me Yes, i was just a bit unhappy about your implication that tells me to shut up. and when I said i say something they deserve, i was actually explaining to you when I could be rude sometimes... as you commented... I dont mean you deserve XYZ... i hope you can understand now...sorry...</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342652 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342652 Comments Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:17:46 +0700 <p>I think this can fairly be considered fascist artwork -- blending ideology, ancient mythology/history, and militaristic nationalism.</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342645 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342645 Comments Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:43:32 +0700 <p>Winterfalling. I'm not so bothered. But you say you tell people things they deserve ... so may I ask you, why do you think I deserve to be killed, like you said? Andy</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342638 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342638 Comments Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:47:30 +0700 <p> whether it is pro or anti-China, it is just painting. enjoy the arts. Don't politicize everything. Besides, even if it is anti-China, it is anti-CCP, not Chinese people. </p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342637 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342637 Comments Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:38:26 +0700 <p> awesome!</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342601 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342601 Comments Sun, 20 Apr 2008 09:23:15 +0700 <p>I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to make the world know you are nothing but an ignorant, government-indoctrinated, thuggish goon who probably justifies having a pirated version of Photoshop because '他们没有送给中国一次机会做那么厉害的软件所以我们老百姓中国人得补偿一百年羞辱！"</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342579 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342579 Comments Sun, 20 Apr 2008 07:56:50 +0700 <p>660066, Confucianism didn't bloom during the Qin Dynasty BECAUSE Qin and his Legalist advisers violently suppressed the "100 Schools of Thought," including and especially Confucianism. Look it up. It's in every single account of the history of the Qin Dynasty. It's common knowledge. And I'm most definitely not Chinese, though I'm not sure what that has to do with an ability to know history.</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342566 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342566 Comments Sun, 20 Apr 2008 07:22:14 +0700 <p>It's an interesting picture. A few years back there was another interesting one done by an artist depicting Uncle Sam sucking blood from Lady Liberty like he was a vampire. Art can be political, so be it. The fact is that there are so many ways to interpret this that it's not even funny. Of course first you have to decide what symbolism Lady Liberty carries in it. Honestly, depending on the context of where you posted this picture you could say that it's either pro- or anti-China.</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342563 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342563 Comments Sun, 20 Apr 2008 07:17:26 +0700 <p>@WatchbagDVD, Are you a Chinese or not? The Confucianism didn't boom until Han Dynasty (206 BC–220 AD). The overarching thought of the Qin dynasty (221BC-206BC) is Fa Jia (created by Hai Feizi). Don't present you know China, lol</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342552 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342552 Comments Sun, 20 Apr 2008 06:24:24 +0700 <p>Beyond the crude misogynist violence and macho-militarist charge here, let's just work the symbolism here a bit and see what we get. One one hand, a Qin warrior representing the violent unification of China under despotic rule enforced by intellectual persecution (burning Confucian books and executing scholars) in an attempt to eliminate all dissent and opinion that might question or compete with the rule of the state. Mao was reputedly a big fan of the first emperor and his brutal, but effective, methods, and Qin remains a key figure in the nationalist imaginary of China, a kind of founding father of a "unified" Chinese state (empire), if you will. On the other hand, a symbol of European Enlightenment ideals, given as a gift from one republic to another, representing capital-L Liberty, bearing the a tablet with the inscription "Give me your tired, your poor,/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,/ The wretched refuse of your teeming shore./ Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:/ I lift my lamp beside the golden door." The statue comes from an intellectual tradition that values individual freedom, responsible citizenship in a participatory democratic system, and that points towards a "Brotherhood of Man" in which national differences and boundaries are transcended for "a better world" (to quote the suppressed French Olympic team's slogan...in fact, it's more or less the same idealist spirit that the motivation for the modern Olympic games comes from, unless I'm mistaken). Anyway, in China the Statue's significance was great enough for the students in the late '80s to create their own version which they erected in Tiananmen Square before the crackdown and massacre hit on June 4, 1989. So there's a lot going on in this image, and of course we're talking symbols and ideals on one hand and historical fact on the other, so it's hardly cut and dry (yeah, the US has time and time again failed to live up to the ideals the Statue represents, and China isn't a purely despotic regime ruled by tyrants). Yet, it's intended as and should be read as a kind of comment on competing world views, yeah? Which is disturbing. How many young Chinese men are willing to identify with a national ideology/mythology that provides a strong sense of unity and identity by means of repression, violence and subjugation, both symbolic and actual? Hopefully not as many young Americans who've bought into the self-righteous and deluded nationalist BS that's helped land the US in Iraq and eroded the very values the Statue of Liberty represents. As for the lightning and the cityscape and the giant scale of the Qin warrior... all I can think of when I see this thing is Gozer the Gozarian and the Stay-Puff Marshmallow Man... and that somebody better call Gohostbusters. Or will Brendan Fraser send this awful giant Qin warrior back to hell in the forthcoming Mummy movie set in China? And if so, will that be allowed to be shown in PRC theaters or will it be cut by Chinese film censors? The suspense is just killing me...</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342518 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342518 Comments Sun, 20 Apr 2008 04:56:07 +0700 <p>I dont like this picture but it is not rape obviously.</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342517 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342517 Comments Sun, 20 Apr 2008 04:54:08 +0700 <p>@Andy Best oh, i am totally sorry for what you feel. Here, 2 ways to make your eyes rest: a. get killed or kill yourself b. simply close your eyes and even massage them... and too bad you can not enjoy my style. I never curse people, i say something they deserve.</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342505 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342505 Comments Sun, 20 Apr 2008 04:24:25 +0700 <p>Wow, this is pretty apt. The Chinese government under the CCP is raping any semblance of freedom and liberty.</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342498 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342498 Comments Sun, 20 Apr 2008 04:03:00 +0700 <p>Not a little girl but a bottle of lube</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342445 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342445 Comments Sun, 20 Apr 2008 01:19:34 +0700 <p>winterfalling ..I don't want to sound conservative but everytime you post on here it's like a stream of curse words and sexism. Give my eyes a rest please. We don't censor that here so it's up to you to be kind to me. Andy :)</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342371 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342371 Comments Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:53:35 +0700 <p>Picture of the day week month YEAR!</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342367 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342367 Comments Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:03:38 +0700 <p>westernes hook up with more chiense women here in shanghai. and some chinese guys feel so pround when they fucked japanese girls... since when sex is closely related to nationalism... it is not raping anyway,...</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342365 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342365 Comments Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:23:51 +0700 <p>The Little Girl? Maybe it's little Taiwan, the illegitamate child from a prior r*ping.</p> http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342358 http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/19/artistic-rendition-of-the-state-of-sino-us-relations.php#comment-1342358 Comments Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:17:27 +0700 <p>Wow! Talk about igniting the flames of xenophobia! Still, I don't understand the significance of the little girl in the background. Please explain.</p>