Um, dont you think the Chinese have enough Nationalist sentiment? More than enough? Waaaay to much!!!??? If I see anyone wearing one of these stupid shirts, im going to throw something at them.

Hmmm, let me think about that for second...No! As if the Chinese need anything more to fan thier (and very much your) nationalism. You've probably already ordered one in every style and are waiting in anticipation for them to arrive in the mail. Hopefully I will run into you while you are wearing yours.

littleme, i find you is a bastard, should you show up, i will kick your fat ass,remember that.

Some of us happened to LOVE the Forbidden Kingdom, you JERKS.

@dancingruru

very very nice and heartful... but i am wondering if you guys concern China's human rights so much, why do you have to suck on China and import its 'junk' from sweatshops? and why do you foreigners all swarm into XiangYang road crazily for fake staff, why did you sneak into some smelly tiny shops and ask "any DVD?"

yeah, the Chinese media is clumsy... but it has nothing to do with I love China or TIBET... coz I see what happened from CNN...if you can allow attckers in paris and bars over the Eiffel Tower,
why these t-shirts make you mad like this?

WinterFalling - name for me one CHINESE Dynasty that ever conquered Tibet in all of history?

I know the Party tells me the Yuan Dynasty conquered Tibet, but gee, wasn't that the Mongolian Empire? Does that mean Iraq and Poland are part of China, too?

Hey, Winterfresh, ask yourself why you care so much about Tibet being "part of China," but don't say a word about Mongolia which was "part of China" for 300 years BEFORE Tibet.

Brainwashing, anyone?

@littleme

let me explain the Chinese nationalism in my way. if you are a good kid but got raped once, you will be very allergic to any man get close to you with assumption that they are evil, let alone they really harrased you...

so dont just say, "hey look at these stupid Chinese nationalist", bla bla bla

You made us like this when you invaded China in 1840s and 1900s, took HK away, took Macau away, took Shandong, shanghai and many places colony...and it is you burnt YuanMingyuan park and stole our national treasure home and put them into your museum... you nation was nothing but a bounch of drug-sellers, invaders and thieves! and now you dont have shame to remember it...

and now you are pointing figures like your ass is clean as always...and say...oh, nationalism is bad...oh, Chinese media is bad...oh, Tibet should be free,...oh, Taiwan is poor, oh, Chinese children are poor, oh, Chinese products are not quality...

you say that because YOU are a nationalist, you feel ashame when the nation you once invaded is now get stronger, and make your nation inferior...you are a nationalist that try very hard to forget the history so that you can point figures like you are a virgin...

Shameless

WinterFalling, I don't think anyone's talking about the British Empire, here. That's an interesting topic, but, currently, we are talking about Chinese Imperialism under the Communist Party. Please try to focus, ok?

Believing the Party is right no matter what, without thinking is the result of most Chinese nationalism. Is that right?

The Chinese media is controlled by the Party. Is that right?

Taiwan (also another topic) is definitely not poor.

By the way - after the Qing Empire lost the Opium War that it started by attacking British ships and Hong Kong and Macau were given - weren't they 2 undeveloped bumps of land that barely anyone lived on?

I just want a teeshirt that sufficiently expresses my hatred.

"I just want a teeshirt that sufficiently expresses my hatred."

Well, that say it all now, doesnt it. I think i've made my point.....or should I say, you've made it for me.

@Alcoac

Yes, I got pissed off everytime my accesst to www.XXXXXXX.com is blocked. I say fuck CPC!!!

but how do you get the conclusion that we believe the media without thinking and then we become nationalists? do the Chinese outside China with almost no mainland experience also get brainwashed by CPC? you are very very funny. Do you know how many hours I spend everyday on CNNC Channel and CNN.com... do you know I have a tool that can access me to the website all over the world? actually most of my friends have this tool and we never visit xinhua.com...

fuck the Chinese media, fuck it all, I say. and I dont give a fuck to their report. I saw our people got attacked from CNN, not xinhua. and I saw Tibet pictures from CNN and later i learnt those pictures are surgeried from some BBS with obvious envidences. So nobody's ass is clean on this. Alcoac, there is nothing to be pround of on your media as well.

and HK and Macau, you are becoming rediculous... Do rich people have the right to take poor people's babies and bring them up? and say, hey, poor people, you have to thank us, we rise your kids with far better education, far better food... and we did that for free!!!

And "after the Qing Empire lost the Opium War that it started by attacking British ships "
...^_^
I dont know who is your history teacher but here learn something from your western libery:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War

YOur ignorance and histoy-showing-off abilities are something to be remembered...

So you see?
1. I LOVE CHINA has nothing to do with the media because outside Chinese also get pissed off.
2. Your history is bad so stop showing off.
3. You can go to GUIZHOU province and steal some poor kids from their families and bring them up. and see if their parents would thank you or kick you in the nuts.

@Alcoac

acutally I dont care the history about Tibet. Yes, why do I have to since we already have it?

I said TIBET IS PART OF CHINA!!! and you say, IT SHOULD NOT BE!!!

We are saying the same thing, ain;t we? We are saying, like it or not, it IS and having been part of China for long... so do i have to discuss the history here? Does the history you learnt can change the current status? Do I have to complain that dinosaur should be the boss of the earth? isnt it rediculous when we have international law to tell us which part land goes to whom?

Do I have to discuess this with anyone here about TIBET?

@Alcoac

Yes you go to French Shanghai film festival and then shopping in Carrefour... and see a lot people there and you feel so exicited...

but guess what, i am not against Carrefour, I am against anti-Carrefour because if Carrefour fucked-up, China's investment enviroment could go bad and then it will hurt China's openning up. I will not go shopping on May the 1st because I dont wanna get high-profile. I could go there later...I really really dont wanna Carrefour get fucked by Chinese... by the way, I like those ppl who go shopping in Carrefour these days, they are smart, as WE have nuclear weapons to protect tibet, who cares what a supermarket wanna do with TIBET. who cares how high the french climbed on Effiel, who cares Nancy's date with DALAI LAMA? We dont like that but there are people to take care of that. our soldiery is upinarms!
GO SHOPPING if you want!!!
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Second, I am totally happy that you go to the festival, but you brain could be hurt someway...i am pretty sure the name of the festival is Shanghai Int'l film festival, not Shanghai French Film Festival... film makers from all around world are invited to shanghai. It has never been named Shanghai French Film Festival.

Here is the envidence: http://www.siff.com/Articleen/

[[[[[[[Hey, everybody look here!!!]]]]]]]

Alcoac as an individual is faking things up with no shame... on what ground, do you have the qualification to discuss history here? on what ground, do you have the qualification to call us nationalist? on what ground, do you have the qul'tion to finger-point China media? Clean your ass first pls!

WinterFalling:

On what ground do you have the qualification to discuss history?

You love China and support the Communist Party this much, you aren't nationalist?

Chinese media? Well, they are controlled by the Communist Party, which only reports things that the Communist Party wants them to report.

My poppa taught me to wipe regularly.

Chinese outside of China?

They are no fans of the Communist Dynasty.

I'll bet you don't like Nancy Pelosi from the USA very much.

Think logically.

Point 1:

Nancy Pelosi is very outspoken against the Communist Dynasty and Tibet, specifically.

Why?

Nancy Pelosi has represented the 8th Congressional District of California - comprised of San Francisco. Nearly 33% of San Francisco is ethnic Chinese and other Asian groups.

Nancy Pelosi has publicly attacked the Communist Dynasty for over 20 years, and the ethnic Chinese keep electing her to office. In fact, the reason she is so vocal about the Communist Dynasty is because she is representing the interests of her constituents - ethnic Chinese people who are extremely opposed to the Communist Dynasty.

Point 2:

The only Chinese people appearing around the world in support of the Olympic Torch are students from Communist China, who somehow are able to show up even when the Torch Route is secretly changed by the Chinese government, carrying expensively produced "Support China / Anti CNN" propaganda.

Alcoac- Nancy Pelosi is my Representative in Congress and one of the big reasons she supports the Dali Lama is because the political power in San Francisco's Chinese community rests in the hands of people with Nationalist Party connections. Her concerns are money raising and votes. When the CP took over China many Kuomintang went to Taiwan, where they wiped out many of the locals, and many others, mostly the wealthiest, went to SF in the USA. That is the political power base that Pelosi has to mollify. These people are not necessarily the nicest folks around. As a matter of fact a over the years some of their opponents have been silenced in a most effective way.

"In 1949 Henry Liu fled the Communists to Taiwan, where he became a reporter outspokenly critical of nationalist China's repressive regime. Emigrating to San Francisco in 1967, Liu became a U.S. citizen and wrote a scathing biography of Chiang Ching-kuo, Taiwan's president. Liu was also a fervent anti-Communist. In 1984 he was murdered by agents of Taiwan's ruling Kuomintang (KMT) party."
The book was published 2 weeks before his murder.

Politics, as they say makes for strange bedfellows.....

@Alcoac

1. Why do you fake up the Shanghai international film festival as Shanghai French film festival? Why did you lie?

2. Is Tibet part of China or not? YOu can say it should not be, you can say history tells us XYZ coz you think your history is good, but just answer the question simple, IS TIBET NOW PART OF CHINA?

3. I have never said I support CPC, where did you get that? I have never said I like Chinese media, where di you get that?

4. In your "logic", i love China- yes I do...
and I support CPC- did i say that?
so I am a nationalist... ok, that is your logic: people who love their nation should be taken for granted that love the parties in charge... and thus they are nationalists...

I dont wanna talk to you again, dude. I dont respect you, because first you are a lair and fake things up; 2nd your history is bad but you are always ready to give us a lesson...;3rd you assume things over your imagination...;4th you dont ready before you reply... you are just repeating your points and taking things for granted...

Yes, in your view, anyone who loves China is your enemy and nationalist...

Winterfalling: "why did you sneak into some smelly tiny shops and ask 'any DVD?'"

Because your government bans the legal versions.

@littleme

You know what? you are nothing but a trash full of jibber-jabber. Tell me your nationality if you were not raped by your step father, and let's find out how dirty and ugly your country is.

Winterfalling 冷静点好吧？

1.法国电影展上海站开幕
http://ent.sina.com.cn/m/c/2008-04-17/10241991320.shtml
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/citylife/2008-03/26/content_6567112.htm

2. 从1951年至目前西藏一定是中国的因为他们在中国帝国中。

3. 你不支持中共吗？那为什么支持他们所有的政策和行为？解释吧.

4. 你当然目前的支持中国.你支持中华人民共和国又称共产中国帝国.你支持多么人做奴隶.中国国歌第二句是什么?好像你忘记了.

我们一起停止吵架.我们一起支持自由中国.好不好？

@iiirene

Simple, simple, simple.

Have you compared these improvements with other groups living under similar conditions to those living in Tibet?

Your argument is neither complete nor valid. Do you know that these improvements were not shared by other similar groups around the world over the same time period? Are you certain that these very basic improvements are not related to an overall improvement in living standards in many places around the world as a result of improving technology? Have you accounted for immigration and changing demographics? The truth is, that it's highly possible that the Tibetans would have achieved such gains (or better) without Chinese involvement, and as I see it, you are simply using a small piece of information to fit the conclusion of your misleading argument. It's not such a simple world, unfortunately.

In any event, it's obvious that no one likes to be subjugated to outsiders, and no statistics will change what people really want. Obviously the metrics you cite really don't address the real issue.

COULD ALL YOU ANTI-CHINESE OR ANTI-CHINA stop visiting site that relates to China, if you happend to be living in China, please get out, and if you doing business with China, please also stop.

WE DO NOT WANT YOU !!!!!!