Attack on an American volunteer by anti-Carrefour mob in Zhuzhou, Hunan: UPDATED

Do Chinese people realize if they keep this up they're putting their precious Olympics at risk? It's really perverse--push things far enough and maybe there will be a large-scale boycotting of the Olympics and a worldwide anti-China backlash. The way these people are behaving, it's almost like they *want* that to happen...would that be a satisfying outcome?

The government's usual tactic in dealing with these kinds of protest: fan the flames of nationalist feeling at home to make a point to the international community, next try and ride the wave as it builds into something tsunmai-like, and finally panic when things get out of hand and they realize the mob could turn on them.

One wonders if the whole cycle is intentional, the govt's way of slyly proving to the world and it's more restless citizens that, hey, see, the Chinese aren't ready for democracy, or more social, press freedoms etc, cos look, they're a bunch of hysterical children who smash up stores and teachers.

Then again, they could just be sh£tting themselves that the mob is one day going to be dragging them from their office and lynching them in the street, i.e. a justifiable use of mob rule!

I felt their anger because i am also a chinese.
But no matters what, it is not right to hurt the innoucent ! i hope the forigner guy is okay.

One world, one dream!

calliper

I am simply requesting him to stop racist insulting.

What the fuck is wrong with that ?

Explain !

Anger vs anger only escalates. thats what calipers is trying to say. Unfortunately on an online site, all addressing idiots achieves is it draws more attention to the idiotic posts and sometimes emboldens them to post more. If you are a reasonable individual, don't let them pull you under. Its just not worth it.

agenda is kill the china! all china must bow to west? never not again! china can say no! glorious party told china to say no 1996 the time! now china say no to you and you and you fuck.

Alcoac-You are so bogus, definiyely not from China. Do you cop a woodie when you write this crap? I bet you do... Dirty words are a big turn on for a juvenile.

little me, "the below average looking female spiece"

This is not right to attack the forigner isn't it ! i agreed and hope the injured person is well recovered.

Looks like the Chinese cannot attack the morality of the French anymore, without of course being complete hypocrites. How is this not worse than the guy trying to tear the torch away from jin jing? She may have been in a wheelchair, but by the sounds of it, if the mob got its way this poor guy would be in a wheelchair, or even a coffin, by the time they had their way with him.

Yes, the guy that got attacked is to be sympathized... and the mob should be evacuated...

But I think there is something to say here, of course, the poor guy has his human right to go shopping, and say,

hey i am just trying to get some shampoo, no offense to Chinese people!!!

but he should have known that he was taking risk to do the whole thing at this time and place.

You can say, "hey I dont like gay people", you dont do it in a GAY parade;

You can say, "hey I think we should teach Sadam a lesson", but dont do in a anti-War protest

So please dont condemn the Chinese for this inccidence. He put himself on the risk!!!

For the good of public safety, it's quite obvious that municipal governments should start designating "No Foreigner Zones". After all, it's THEIR fault if they wander into them!

Sure you can find extreme groups like of white supremists in any country that would behave this way, but in China -- it's the common folk? Well, they have SOME NERVE being offended by the CNN commentor then.

Dorothy finally realized that she's not in Kansas anymore.

winterfalling

If I were you i would give that poor gal "littleme" a break !

She did not and is not having a very good life and might see the world differently as compared to a normal human being.

she is basically a sad persion with full of hatreds towards everything not only chinese !!

I've spent sometime finding these out, you can
read my findings from this link.

http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/20/buy_your_own_i_love_tibet_tshirt.php

some chinese commenting on a) is not fair, it is not right blaming the victem, here the injured forigner for his careless wondering around the area, instead condeming the anger chinese protestors for their stupid act for attacking the innoucent !

being a rational person this is how i see it, but i am seeing some double standard being applied here by quite alot of you when applying to the case of a chinese handicapped girl being attacked at france during a torch rally.

there are so many ppls here gave no sorrow for the poor gal "Jin Jing" but instead they critising the chinese gov't, the chinese olyimpic rally body guard, and supporting the Tibet movement.

This type of DOUBLE STANDARD thinking should account for a major force of the hatred between the WEST and EAST.

The rational bunch, give it a deep think through please !

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I am surprised there isn't any police but again there can't have police covering everywhere.

I do have some doubt about the factual of this incident! I am not saying there won't be, but for this made, looks like to me is a made up.

From the protesting at the other throughout china, the poice oftenly condem the protestors and alot of the activist being arrested by the undercover police. it is clear that the chinese government does not want to see the movement carry on expanding.

It is time to seriously consider my plan for the PERMANENT DECONSTRUCTION OF CHINA!

The first subject to deal with is China's non-conventional arsenal. Well, the answer is simpler than you think. China is bordered by two nuclear powers, Russia and India. It would not be impossible for these two countries to divide China's fixed, mobile and submarine nuclear missiles and secure them within their own borders. The Russians have a far more advanced missile system and far greater numbers of warheads, the Indians would benefit from an increase in warheads and possibly make some technical improvements to their arsenal, but the balance of nuclear power would be maintained and no new nuclear powers would be created. Other neighbors such as central Asian nations, S. Korea and Japan as well as the UN would be invited as official observers and to provide additional security.

Next, what to do about China's conventional military forces? Well, there would be new countries formed from the remains of China, and those with coastal exposure (which would constitute the majority of what is left of China) would have the option of keeping a fairly divided number of naval assets. New countries that did not have coastal exposure would receive a portion of equally divided air and land military assets. Territories that would be returned to their rightful governments (think: "Inner Mongolia") would have the option of taking said military assets or selling them.
We'll get back to the orderly breakup of the newly independent states.

Now in the midst of this restructuring of Asia lies a wild card: the ex-patriot population.

Some came to China because of their job (and the subsequent lifestyle of a minor diety), some came for the cultural experience, some to chase girls and drink, some came to put "China" on their resume and some are wanted for some fairly serious crimes back home.

The expat population has come to have an impact, both good and bad, on the local population where they live, especially in Shanghai, Beijing, Hong Kong and Shenzhen.

Well, in order to facilitate a proper reconstruction the influence of this population will have to be removed. Asia and the international community simply cannot allow crimminals, perverts, substance abusers and self-serving demigods to influence the new governments or the newly liberated society.

Now, internationally recognized aid groups and the media will certainly have their place as objective observers AND facilitators for the new liberated press in each new nation. However, those who are not part of this group (executives, teachers, entrepreneurs, lounge-abouts) WERE in China doing business and/or working with/for China, which no longer exists. To best benefit the new nations and respect their individual sovereignty, all of those parties associated with commerce and education will have to leave and return to the new countries and negotiate new contracts and licenses. There should be no carryovers or special arrangements made. The large populations of each country (representing potential customers and workers) as well as each country's need for developmental assistance will ensure their return. Former citizens of China with foreign spouses and their children will be provided with legal entry into their foreign spouses' home country as political refugees.

Companies that were formerly within China should be associated with their corporate headquarters to determine whether they are foreign in domestic in each new country. The foreign or domestic status of China SOEs will also fall within these guidelines. Formerly Chinese private companies and SOEs with assets outside of their new countries will have to negotiate with the hosting country(ies) regarding the sale of those assets or maintaining them as a foreign entity.

Regarding fugitives, other nations who suspect that someone of interest was residing in China will be given full access to "sweep" individuals from these new countries and from existing countries that have absorbed territories from what was known as China. These properly authorized and diplomatically recognized representatives will only need to provide an official arrest warrant and matching passport information to confirm the identification of the suspects. Any issues of dual citizenship/dual arrest warrants will need to be settled at the diplomatic level between the two relevant nations. The Reconstruction Authority (consisting of the US and the neighbors of the country formerly known as China as well as invited observers and monitors).

Territorial division will be the thorniest issue, however, the Reconstruction Authority can look back at history as well as relying on current political, cultural and economic boundaries for guidelines. Special exception will be given to areas of the former China that are environmental unsustainable. Residents of these areas will be given the opportunity to emigrate as environmental refugees to nations that will accept them or to remain on their homelands and fend for themselves. The world and these people need to recognize that the world cannot and should not expend valuable resources supporting people who choose to live in wastelands that lack sufficient food and water.
The Hui people of Ningxia and Gansu provinces come to mind.

I see the rest of the partitioning occuring along the following lines:

Xinjiang is officially recognized as E. Turkestan and can be recognized as an independent nation or enter into reunification

Inner Mongolia is returned to Mongolia.

Tibet is liberated.

Taiwan is welcomed back into the UN, Fujian province, being culturally related to Taiwan is allowed to enter into unification negotiations with Taipei.

Hong Kong and Macau would be allowed to decide their own fate as independent city states, forming a "supercity" or entering into negotiations with mainland provinces.

The remaining provinces and metropolitan areas (such as Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen and Chongqing) would be allowed to negotiate their own political arrangements, with conventional military and other former PRC assets divided among them equally (with the exception of naval assets for nations without coastlines).

All new nations would have to accept democratic governments, with the Aligned Asian Democracies providing guidance and consultation. These new nations would have to sign non-aggression pacts to politically recognize that there is no "mandate of heaven" to forcefully unite all of them as in the past.

To give these new nations a financial boost, the foreign debt formerly held by China would be divided up according to each new nation's population. Likewise, the newly reunited Mongolia, Tibet and any country that united with E. Turkestan would also receive a percentage of China's former debt in proportional to the repatriated population.

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"But, surprise surprise, the chinese gov. made every effort to carry shitloads of police to tibet, in order to be everywhere!

Sad time for china, glad to be home during this period... Who knows what happens next...
"

now your claim is being unfair, tell me how should i answer you ?

From the Tibet footage, we saw alot of innoucent passingby got attack by the riots ! I saw a passingby knock down by a fly kick of a riot...that scence fucken scares me !!

if you ask me if that scense/footage is real as it was reported by chinese media. i think this one is.

let me try find it and upload it here

there u go some clip about the tibet

http://news.oeeee.com/a/20080324/529668.html

I guess you guys can say this is Boxer Rebellion II and it is "OK" to send troops to China to stop the violence now?

The guy appear at the wrong time at the wrong place, it is not his fault. I condemn these Chinese who attacked him.

I don't think this is all China's fault though. It was the misunderstanding between the cultures that finally lead to this violent behavior.

This proves my point. China can't progress to democracy too fast. In this event, it is clear that the well educated people are motivating lesser educated people. and I believe that these lesser educated people are taking things literally without thinking.

Here is the possible out comes of this event.

1. CCP does nothing. It triggers world wide protest against Chinese violence and leading up boycott of the summer Olympics.

2. CCP try to clam down people. The people will view CCP as weak and the protest will turn and target the CCP thus makes it enforce even tighter free speech restrictions and result in even more international criticism.

3. CCP crack down on the violent Chinese protectors. Of course, internally, the anger will be pressed down and everything will seem to back to normal. However, international criticism is furious and they will label this as TianAnMen Square massacrer II.

4. CCP crack down, people are unsatisfied and it become a nationwide movement where the CCP can't control anymore. The local elitists see this as an opportunities and several warlords formed different regional governments just like the old days of China. Massive civil war break out and millions of millions dies during this. Taiwan, Tibet, Xin Jiang, Inner Mongol, north east three province all divided and Chinese nation becomes the laughing stock of the world once again. Chinese can't protect their border again, human rights is none exist, no food, no water, no nothing.
I am this sure is the one possible future that nanheyangrouchuan would love to see.

5. I see this is the only good possible solution. Arrest violent protectors, visit the victims and try to do as much as possible to help them over come this nightmare. Grantee the safety of all foreign people in China. Educate people so that protest can be performed in a peaceful manner.

If I am the leader of China, I'd also open Tibet region for the reports, there is really any worst news coverages as what we see now. Maybe the reporters will only focus interviewing Tibetan monks, but I know that these monks doesn't represent the majority population of the Tibet people. I'd welcome the criticism but I would not moved by these comments as there are more important issue on the table that need to deal with. I'd openly make a stand on the Olympic opening ceremony by saying that while we are sorry to hear some countries leaders are not going to attend the opening ceremony, we will respect their decisions. However, we will not talk with Dalai Lama until he can stop the Olympic distracting behaviors of the Exile Tibetans.

Five possible out comes, there might be more but I doubt any of them will give China any positive feedback from the European countries, the US, Canada, or Japan. What do you guys think?

"4. CCP crack down, people are unsatisfied and it become a nationwide movement where the CCP can't control anymore. The local elitists see this as an opportunities and several warlords formed different regional governments just like the old days of China. Massive civil war break out and millions of millions dies during this. Taiwan, Tibet, Xin Jiang, Inner Mongol, north east three province all divided and Chinese nation becomes the laughing stock of the world once again. Chinese can't protect their border again, human rights is none exist, no food, no water, no nothing.
I am this sure is the one possible future that nanheyangrouchuan would love to see."

This scenario is why I laid out my "blueprint". China holds on to a couple of untenable territories.

Beijing would be better off letting go of certain areas and dedicating all forms of resources to true economic development. Instead, its more pursuit of the same "big boss of the world" dream that will never be achieved.

My scenario would see foreign armies isolate and smash the local warlords, grab the NBC arsenal and destroy it before warlords can use it and peacefully divide up so many areas that would be better off on their own than under Beijing's thumb.

Just think how prosperous and peaceful the new "Wu" nation would be. Most of interior China is pretty much wasteland anyways, so it would be a humanitarian effort to evacuate those people as well as dismantle the PLA.

Taiwan can carry the banner for traditional Chinese culture, no more nasty "Mao" characteristics.

In recent days, a lot of angry young Chinese people have launched an unending barrage of largely defamatory attacked against the west and westerners. However, I suspect that many of them really are more interested in learning about what's at the heart of western contentions are are curious about this large world of outside ideas and critical thinking that have been kept from them for so long, but they may be unaware of this, simply don't know how to approach it, or in fact, fear the answers.

I know this sounds like a they-just-need-a-hug approach to dealing with posters who are prone to fits of verbal violence. But while I know the anger they express is real, it is obviously being channeled in the wrong direction -- mostly towards foreigners and the west in general, outside things -- when certainly by their own logic, the issues that should be most pertinent to them should be domestic.

I would encourage these angry young people to begin digging for answers at home, in China. Look to the policies and people that are affect you and your life. I know that this is a difficult task in some way because it is so antithetical to what has been pressed into you through years of 'patriotic education,' but if you really want to learn, you should press back.

Take a broad view of things and do not fall into the narrow ethic of Chinese "responsibility" and believe that far-off events in other cities or provinces do not affect you -- they do. When a farmer loses hi land in X province and protesting villagers are shot, that does affect you and your rights in this society. How could it affect your rights in the future? Another example, you need to direct your energies not just to what you have been told Hu Jia did wrong, but focus on his ideas, and really try to understand his thinking, what he believed, and why he took action and against whom or what were his actions?

If you are capable of critical thinking (and many of you are), then you will begin understand much more of what is going on around you outside of the context that the Chinese government supplies. Learn to understand your country in a multidimensional way, what it is doing, why it is doing it, what are the intended outcomes. How is this good or bad for different interests groups?

Really, I believe this the sort of information that you seek, and in the end it may be something that might enable you to elevate social discourse in China and bring about meaningful, beneficial change and a better future.

Wow Richard, did you even read callipers post? Where is he blasting evil china and talking about true and false? Open your mind a little and read it again.

@littleme
my targeted audience is all Westerners here. It is not specially aimed at "Callipers".

@sega8800

Criticizing and protesting can bring change. The things you mention are all good, but you must learn what your are looking for and look deeper.

@richardlee

I have spent several decades with myself, and I am 100,000% positive that I am a western person.

richard

let go of "littleme", read the below and you will understand. she needs some luve "giggle"

tommy said to little
"Come on ! what kind of a girl would hook up on the net all the time and the worst is hook up on such type of site !! go do some boys hunting or shop aroun or partying !! and do what the normal set of things a girl would do, please !"

littleme's reply
Ya, thats what normal woman do. Hunt for boys and go shopping. Oh, and partying. Normal girls do not bother their inferior minds with such a site and express their opinion because normal girls dont have an opinion. Normal girls are just pretty girls who get their hair done every day and dont think for themselves. If they do, it must mean they are ugly and have nothing else better to do....like get a pedicure and find a husband to buy them their BMW and have a baby with. Tommylee, this is going to be a bit awkward for you, but I think you have me confused with a Chines woman.

full version can be read from

http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/20/buy_your_own_i_love_tibet_tshirt.php

@callipers

I go through your poster thoroughly, again. I think, no bias, no offense, you are at least not English native, from the linguistic perspective. I think you probably are Chinese who immigrated to foreign country many years ago. I hope it was not because of 1989 event.

Anyway, as littleme said: only idea or point matters. But for this aspect, i agree with "sega8800". That is: we need time, to improve ourself. Democracy can not come within one night.

Huh? Richarlee, for a linguist not only is your English terrible but your ability to gauge others' English is laughable. Callipers is definitely Western. Man, you guys are strange.

OK so in the end nearly nothing happened, and there's no eyewitness. Tomorrow we'll learn that nothing happened. That's what I thought from the beginning. Sure, always be cautious. But that's not a justification enough to spread alarming un-confirmed news. I think.
Best anyway, I know you are trying your best.
Lucas

Lucas: Hopefully this "nothingness" that you described happens to you next.

I dont think this piece of story is faked and I really feel bad about what happened and on the other hand, you can not say the gov is lying... the triger of the whole thing- what pissed me and others- is shown on CNN as well, and that's where I learn about the issue...

So can you just say the CPC is the one to be blamed when Paris gave us such a "WARM" welcome for the torch by letting the handicapped girl attacked, the shame-on-China bar hangout, or teach-them-a-lesson gesture from the Cityhall? Should the media in China ignore the whole thing? Please notice when the torch met protest in London, CCTV did not report on the anti-China pro-tibet demostration, it tried to cover it up... and then it realized things are becoming intolerable when the local gov wanted to give us a big blow in France...why not fight back? tell me why not?

and now the bad things happened, innocent people got kicked... I would say dont just curse the CPC. That's the fruit of Olympic politicalization! Who started it?

When it covers you say "oh your media never report the truth" and when it report something really bad you say "oh your media malnipulate you ppl..."

One World. One Dream. One China.

**So can you just say the CPC is the one to be blamed when Paris gave us such a "WARM" welcome for the torch by letting the handicapped girl attacked**

The same girl being called a traitor to China now for not supporting the boycotts?

**and now the bad things happened, innocent people got kicked... I would say dont just curse the CPC. That's the fruit of Olympic politicalization! Who started it?**

Um, let's see. How about China for turning the torch ceremony into a propaganda vehicle for an "emerging China"?

The extreme activist list

nanheyangrouchuan
Alec
Littleme
Alcoac

watch out these folks! there are clear evidence shows that they intentionly spreading anti-china criticism over the internet causing hatreds between the west and chinese.

@ Tommylee
Shall I point out the 100,000's of people, including yourself, spreading anti-west criticisms over the internet and media? Shut the F%$* up!

*LOL*

Seriously Tommylee? You've resorted to attempting to criticize the physical appearance of someone you have never seen? Ya, and im the one who needs to figure out how to spend my time more wisely. If that can make you laugh off your chair then you are a pretty simple minded individul, not that we didnt know that already.

yeah, and my mind is definitely simple and not as evil and narrowly minded as yours, critising and cursing other country all the time !

The sad thing is Tommy, is that for every one comment of mine, you post 3 or more in response to it. Stop commenting on my posts, as I am done commenting on yours.

"So please dont condemn the Chinese for this inccidence. He put himself on the risk!!!"

'Winterfalling' implores us to not condemn the Chinese for this incident. I also hope Americans won't do that, but I do hope they will sharply criticize and be highly offended by the actions of the people protesting Carrefour who attacked this young man.

'Winterfalling' makes excuses for the people involved in this incident. Obviously 'winterfalling' believes the Chinese protestors are mindless, irrational, and highly dangerous and cannot be held accountable for anything they do...so it's the American man's fault, because he is the one who should have the power of logic and reasoning. Am I right? :)

According to the BBS which is mentioned in this article, someone claimed that it's the American shouted first to these people: 'Fuck you!' then people got irritated and started to attack him.

If it's true, both of them are stupid.

If the Amercia young guy just got attacked without any reasons, then I must say, these mobs are stupid and dangerous!Things shall not keep running in this way. It's not an patriotism anymore, but stupidity.

If the American did shout to the people: Fuck you! firstly, then I should say he himself is stupid to do that, facing so many people at such a special sensitive time.

I wonder since this article mentioned the Chinese BBS and quoted from it, why didn't mention that people also witnessed that he provoked protestors first?

Then I have to say the article is not that objective, and it would cause misunderstanding bewteen west and east, spreading hatred and mistrust.

@Skyline5k,
True...........
But we should pay attention to every possibilities and try to draw a integrated picture, then this effort could help people to understand.

Otherwise, westerners' reaction would not be any different from these 'stupid' Chinese.

I understand that, but speculation can get quickly out of hand. I can see the faults of both western & Chinese media at avoiding certain facts. Speculation can lead to even further unrest. The "wild imagination" syndrome.

This site is full of shit !

Aren't you people fucking fed up seeing all these negative posting day and day out ?!

FUCKING TIME WASTING !

GO AND DO SOME USEFUL THINGS !

Some words for all to consider:
Beatitudes

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.

Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.

Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.

Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

The American's boss confirmed that he got away "unharmed" and started teaching classes again on Tuesday after taking one day off:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2008/04/23/boston_college_grad_caught_in_olympic_torch_controversy/

well,very funny,A storm in a Teacup;)

@chinese_nationalista

yes