Shanghaiist: How much are Beijing's Olympic security measures costing China?

bearsito

Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:00:31 +0800

no one picked up on the mental telepathy comment? jeez... I'm so disappointed... that was the best line in my rant!

skaching

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:57:07 +0800

their own country

skaching

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:55:41 +0800

you can talk shit all you want about it being hard to get an american visa (which i think is a terrible thing) but the fact remains that there are way more people of chinese decent living in the US than there are people of american decent (even all westerners combined) living in china. If you go to the us you can actually live there, retire there, die there, if you want. sure there are too many restrictions and we should all pressure the american government to ease up for everyone's sake. the same goes for the chinese government. 2 wrongs don't make a right, kindergarden lessons people. i mean, freedom of movement is pretty cool, would also be nice if chinese citizens could move around there own country more freely.

deweys

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:17:29 +0800

Great article, Adrienne!

Karibdis

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:48:35 +0800

@bearsito I totally agree with you about the awful communication - a forte of the Chinese government. And of course security is important, but despite their strictness, the measures that have been taken are unlikely to be effective, and are unreasoable more than anything else. A terrorist would be very unlikely to have any problems getting the hotel reservations and return flight needed to get a visa, and the 30 day limit would be enough time to cause trouble. Besides, it is much more likely that a threat to security would come from within the country, eg Uighur separatists. The arguement that developed countries have similar rules doesn't really hold water since China is unlikely to be affected by economic immigration in the the same way as developed countries - in fact it is more likely to be beneficial.

EL JEFE

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:50:43 +0800

Eastman, I guess you aren't familiar with irony. One example would be going on a post regarding the Olympics, an event in which China is supposed to be welcoming the world, on an English-language website about China, to talk about how awful foreigners are, and then to mention the foreign stench on the subway (not only limited to French people), which may not even be expanding if there was no world expo on the horizon, another event designed to showcase the greatness of China to foreigners.

bearsito

Sat, 28 Jun 2008 21:42:22 +0800

Every country has it's right to security. The US INS certainly isn't a cakewalk if you aren't American. None of what China's doing right now with immigration is unreasonable. In fact, it's pretty much the standard anywhere in the world. The 'problem' is twofold: 1. things have been so lax for so long that everyone is in the habit of thinking that's the way it should always be 2. Chinese immigration offices do such a HORRIBLE job of communicating the changes. In fact, they don't communicate them at all. I had to go three times to the Chinese embassy in SF for a lousy 30 day tourist visa, because they changed all the requirements and didn't tell anyone! Not on their web site, and then the poster in the room is only partial, so you get to the glass and they tell you your materials are incomplete. And then, if you don't ask them to list ALL the new requirements they wont! They'll only tell you the FIRST thing they notice is missing. And believe me, I wasn't the only one dealing with this classic performance of Chinese bureaucracy. Everyone I spoke to in the waiting room (I'm pretty outgoing) had the same problems. I lost 3 half days of time because of their totally shitty attitude about communication. If I didn't have pressing NON OLYMPIC matters to attend to here, I would have definitely said "screw it" and gone somewhere else where they can at least tell you what materials need to be in your application in advance. It's not unreasonable to have strict security. It IS unreasonable to expect people to learn about such measures through mental telepathy.

nanheyangrouchuan

Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:25:06 +0800

China is hoping to get rid of the foreigners who know badirty china for the pile of shit that it is while attracting naive tourists to waste money and be blinded the Potemkin villages up and down the east coast. What a dirty, pile of shit country. Burn China Burn!

pug_ster

Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:56:35 +0800

In the US there are such tight restrictions toward Chinese foreigners to do business here. Interviews, verification that you have enough incomes, and the visa is not even usually permanent. I know it sucks, but wait for 2 more months and the visa situation will relax.

T

Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:40:18 +0800

Who forced you to STAY at first place? Um, I dunno. Maybe some of us like living here? Maybe some of us have made a life, or have ample business opportunities or our career path has led us here? Odd thing that. If y'all are so keen on kicking foreigners out, why even invite anyone at all for the Olympics? Why not just play the National Games - then you won't have to worry about snooping reporters, torch relays, or Free T!bet protesters. Just watch Liu Xiang win gold, and the basketball team won't have to worry about getting out of a group with Spain and the US and Angola.

eastman

Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:29:25 +0800

----"Many foreign residents living here for years are now being forced to leave China"? Who forced you to STAY at first place? Why you so-called expats are so keen hanging on in China, a country ruled by "demon commie" and shrouded by "deadly smog" and why so many of you are waiting in line for a Chinese green cards while cursing China on daily basis? I guess it is because nobody would give you guys a second meals and second glance in your motherland. I think it high time to get rid of your type of "surviver complex" of over 250,000 in Beijing and Shanghai and clean the subway of western body odor for good, especially in afternoon time.

TheShangHighRoller

Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:34:39 +0800

The games are intended for domestic consumption. They will reassure the people that their taxes are being wisely spent, the great Chinese dragon is rising, blah blah etc. To prevent itself from looking incompetent in its own people's eyes is the govt's main goal. So they will gladly sacrifice the hospitality industry. And of course they will still let in enough to give the impression of hospitality. So many Chinese get so excited to see one foreigner. Imagine how it will look on TV when there are TEN foreigners all sitting next to each other watching Liu Xiang run! Isn't the Fatherland glorious?

yu888

Sat, 28 Jun 2008 01:11:44 +0800

Hmm, so what does China want all those laowai to come for? They will hve the media glorfying how clear of crowds Beijiang is showing nice images of what they promise will be bluer skies, and no risk of an international terrorism incident. Seems to me they have it all figured out.

evo

Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:10:41 +0800

Great story - no real surprises there. However i was curious to read what the foreign media are writing about the situation. so i click through the Globe and Mail.....Strewth! These guys must have learnt a thing or two from the Chinese ...... to read the full article they are charging $4.95! FOUR DOLLARS BLOODY NINETY FIVE CENTS for a single article! How much to buy the paper?

cwalt51

Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:49:41 +0800

@ridh - if these people really do move their companies out of china, you will see some kind of impact on your economy. besides, it's the Olympics, you know people will show up. it's 4.5 billion USD "free money," you can't go wrong with that... so why not just issue the visas to tourists and longtime foreign residents alike?

China-Matt

Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:30:57 +0800

It seems there might even be a problem with renewing Z visas for the same job. I've been hearing a lot of odd stories that don't seem to make sense. I'm hoping that most of the problems about renewals within China are just some sort of backlog in the system.

rldh

Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:25:38 +0800

Aah, bless. It's sweet how all these foreign commentators think that (a) the Chinese govt gives two millions of a shit about what the laowai population of China thinks and (b) that not issuing so many visas for a few months is going to make one iota of difference to the juggernaut of China's economic growth or global PR campaign over the Olympics. Face facts people, we are here on their sufferance and they can mess with us at will. Last I checked it wasn't a free country!