Shanghaiist: Today's Links: IOC warns China, Shanghai subway expands and China ranks fifth in the world's millionaire race

Antonio Napoli

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 02:52:50 +0800

Hi I, by the way, you didn't answer about how I define a country, didn't you? Antonio

Antonio Napoli

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 02:11:08 +0800

are you always so polite? I will refer this nice comment of your to the owner of the forum, so you will finally forced to leave the forum. Sorry, but you deserve it. Antonio

T

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:09:25 +0800

No, actually the reason that I didn't want to talk about Taiwan is because its clearly not the topic here, but thanks for making assumptions, asshole.

Antonio Napoli

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 00:47:24 +0800

For I, are you not brave enough to express your opinion about whether Taiwan is a state or not? You must be a very brave guy:-) In my opinion Taiwan is a state. I know taiwan preatty well, since my girlfriend comes from this amazing island. But, on the other hand, I believe that Taiwan will join China in the future. Taiwan and China share the same language, the same food and the same great history (so according to my personal definition they are a state). The unification will not happen until China is a dictatorship. Only a dramatic change in Chinese politics will make taiwanese people willing to share their future with China. In believe we will not live enough to see this great event. As you see, I am not so smart as you believe to be, but at least, I have no problems or fears to express my opinion about anything we discuss. best regards, Antonio

Antonio Napoli

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 00:37:36 +0800

Hallo, I am sorry to say the following...but politness does not seem a a common thing here. For Vladivostok: I do not work for Fiat, do you feel better now? By the way, I don't know where are you from, but in this world there are not so many countries able, as Italy, to make beatiful cars. You will be able to offend me, to denigrate me, but you will never able to negate what is a fact. And the beaty of italian car is a fact. For I: You think that I am stupid, but I also think that you are not clever at all. Vatican does not exist because of his currency, his militar force, his police etc. etc. # Vatican exist because the church has build his power along the last 2000 years. This power is also monetary power. Honk-Kong does not exist as a state any more. And it existed as a state, just because England needed that it existed. San Marino exists because the people have to do the money laudary somewhere. And San Marino is not the only example. In my opinion, a state is a sum of things, like common history, common traditions, common language, if you want common race, although I don't like to use this word. Therefore, in my opinion Kurdistan is more a state than Irak (create sitting around a table by UK and US), Tibet is more a state than Hong-Kong, and Chapas in Mexico is more a state than Singapore. is it clear now? This is what I meant, and if you are educated enough you should somehow understand my point. I don't pretend/want that you agree with me, but at least I would like understand my point. About my education. It is very poor...what can I do? how can I compete with you? I got only a master degree and a PhD and I speak (fluently) only 5 languages... For Moneyinabox: I don't answer unpolite persons. You are only able to insult. This is the only thing that you can do. Someone that consider Ferrari a dokey car, is someone that has no idea about what a car is.

moneyinabox

Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:54:01 +0800

Fiat's are pieces of shit. They are like driving a donkey cart.

T

Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:18:38 +0800

A country must have a certain size, it cannot confined within a city...otherwise all the cities in the world they are countries... I don't think its really my place to provide you with a proper education that you should have received in high school, but I'm sure the Vatican, Singapore and San Marino are horrified that a certain Antonio Napoli of Fiat's PR department thinks they don't meet his threshold for statehood. As for me, I think countries are probably more defined by things like, oh I don't know, having ones own currency, government, passport, customs, monetary policy, etc. etc. And while that might be not always the case (especially around these parts) that does give a place like Hong Kong at the very least state-like presence, since - even as a colony, and now as a special administration region, they do have their own currency, passports, monetary policy, border controls, police force, Disneyland - so it does seem proper to call them a "Special Administration Region" - and hey! that's exactly what they are. Funny that. I do realize the above definition does pose some problems around the greater China region, so I'll just say that I have zero opinion either way on Taiwan that I care to share, and the above is not an opinion on whether Taiwan is a state or not.

vladivostok

Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:06:32 +0800

He is T, not I, you dumbass. Not only do you NOT know anything, you can't even read! Now get your ass back to that Fiat assembly line!

Antonio Napoli

Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:35:11 +0800

only for "I": you wrote this: Korea I don't know anything about. Nor Singapore, Hong Kong or China apparently. so please give us a lecture, Prof. I, we are waiting for!! Antonio

Antonio Napoli

Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:07:59 +0800

For "Vladivostok" and "I", explain me what's wrong with my post...if you can... is it Hong-Kong a city or a country? well, was it a city or a country? the same for Singapore...and please don't start saying that officially they are/were, ok? A country must have a certain size, it cannot confined within a city...otherwise all the cities in the world they are countries... Moreover, this Mr. "I" seems he knows everything about Asia, so please for the other forum member: do not contradict him, because he knows everything... Ciao! Antonio

vladivostok

Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:30:26 +0800

Antonio: Clearly, it's all about Fiats. Can you stick to the issue at hand?

T

Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:53:25 +0800

Korea I don't know anything about. Nor Singapore, Hong Kong or China apparently.

gillsans

Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:10:11 +0800

Are they going to add cars to lines 4 and 8? Waiting 12-15 minutes for a subway is silly.

Antonio Napoli

Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:47:22 +0800

Hong-Kong and Singapore are just two cities. How can you talk about a social model only for two cities. You end up with only one single country where this model work...if it works (in Singapore there is a dictatorship and Hong-Kong is under the control of another dictatorship). Korea I don't know anything about. Antonio

T

Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:36:50 +0800

[i]Even worse, it's capitalism combined with confucianism. [/i] Well, it seems to work okay for Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong.

Antonio Napoli

Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:20:52 +0800

I see that someone want to know what I think and what I didn't say. By the way I do not see any form of socialism over there...but just a strong capitalist society, with aspect related to socialism...an a military apparatus that control every single aspect of the society. Antonio

tenforty

Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:44:18 +0800

The economic system is "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" - which in reality is stark naked capitalism with high levels of social order control. Even worse, it's capitalism combined with confucianism. A highly volatile, dangerous combination.

T

Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:38:50 +0800

No one defines this country as Communist. Not even the members of the Communisty party, so your original question assumes facts not in evidence. Even going back to the original Marx doesn't work, since Communist China was Maoist, not Marxist/Leninist - a revolution of the peasantry, not urban factory workers as Marx envisioned. The economic system is "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" - which in reality is stark naked capitalism with high levels of social order control. Perhaps you may want to return to wondering about why everyone thinks Fiats are terrible automobiles.

Antonio Napoli

Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:53:25 +0800

Hi, something it is not clear to me... what is going to do such a big number of millionaire in a country defining itself as communist? I read the original book "Das Kapital" in german from Marx, therefore I think I know a bit about his message and it seems that his philosophy is not properly applied over there... Best regards Antonio