Shanghaiist: Amnesty ads stirring up the Chinese internet

bamboos

Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:14:23 +0800

eastman: pls remember in this forum, you need always ignore nanheyangrouchuan. because it is waste of time to argue with a person who doesnot have normal logic. eg. he states 'China is the worst of humanity', then why he is still in China?? seems China is quite tolerate for these kinds of person nowadays. Maybe, he decides to be an 'evangelist' in China, without consideration whether we want him or not! very interesting!

nanheyangrouchuan

Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:55:10 +0800

China is the worst of humanity.

taihanasie

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:24:41 +0800

Guys, eastman is just being a trolling wanker. The point is to draw you away from the topic at hand by inciting a comparison between China and someone else. Face it, EVERY crime is acceptable if you justify it in "oh-but-so-and-so-has-done-it-too" terms. The US is a convenient target for people like him, and the longer you persist in his comparative fantasy, the further you are getting away from the fact that the point of an ad campaign is to provoke a certain reaction. Note that his very first reaction was to link a failing of China to a failing of another country, thereby moving the real issue slightly out of the spotlight ("Why dart? Waterboarding is better!"). And then several of you picked up the ball. The best way to talk to people like this is to call them out on their methods, which are not conducive to fruitful discussion of topics, and then move back to the subject at hand. And what is the subject at hand? Based on the image here, I would say that the campaign has probably been very successful at affecting those it was supposed to affect in the right way. Whether some Chinese dislike the ad or not is irrelevant to its success as the ad was not designed to make insular Chinese people happy. This is obvious, as whoever created the ad could not possibly have innocently done so. If Chinese want to boycott TBWA, that is their decision. What the US government does is beside the point.

eastman

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:54:03 +0800

To Ed Nygma---"The State Council publishes an annual report on US Human Rights abuses"? You know pretty wel who threw the first punch. For years US released funny report on China's recond, even Iraq scandal could not stop it. CHina published the report only two years ago, each time after US. While whole world witnessed your topless rambo bullying and murdering foreign policy and your waterboarding and overseas imprisoning and finger printing and phone tapping, you point your broken index finger to others. US is the only one who doesnt think its shamelessnes has no boundary.

ououou

Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:26:45 +0800

hey guys,leave eastman alone!

Ed Nygma

Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:06:39 +0800

"Chinese dosn't lecture US" To eastman Bull. The State Council publishes an annual report on US Human Rights abuses perpetrated by the United States. Just like with human rights reports issued by Amnesty International or HRW, the US hasn't prevented the dissemination of China's report either. Might I also add that it's not a very good argument tactic to use "guilt by association". Many people in the US, who live there, do not support all of its policies.

eastman

Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:06:35 +0800

To WatchBagDVD, You are smart enough to call our disagreement as kettel-call-pot-black thing but not that smart to know the difference between CHina and USA: we did something domestic while you ARE waterboarding globally. Another difference is, while US likes to lecture CHina, Chinese dosn't lecture US which still IRONICALLY thinks to have moral high ground pretending nothing happended with its real bad human right record overseas for last 50 years. To us Chinese, unlike shameless Americans, it's simply unimaginable for a murder to point fingers, shouting that's the BADDER guy. CHina is developing with over 500 millions people lifted from poverty, a great contribution to the human kind. But why you are so picky on the gabbage right of 0.01% population who lived on the right of majority? To a foot-soldier on the bandwagon of west's geopolitical agenda like you, my advice is: First try to know your beloved neo-con, then you'll know China, and your true colour, much better.

WatchBagDVD

Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:51:47 +0800

eastman: You're awesome. You're like the Kingsoft Cartman. Thank you for the entertainment. A couple things: First, you and nanheyangrouchuan are made for each other. Second, by writing "The US perpetrators of such torture and those who signed off on it, all the way to the top, should be held accountable" I mean that I think Dick Cheney should be tried for war crimes and I'm sure if he were and they were fair trials, he'd be found to be guilty as hell. Realistically, it's not gonna happen, but at least he can be hounded by activists internationally, with the ever-present threat of an embarrassing incident based on the Pinochet precedent blowing up in his face. And, by the way, we largely have the relatively free media in the US and Europe to thank for the possibility of some small measure of justice. You really should work on your reading comprehension skills because it might spare you some embarrassment in the future. You really have an amazing knack for making yourself look like an idiot. It's almost admirable. And as for torture, well, here is it is, simply put: Torture is wrong. It's wrong whoever does it. And no, you dope, nobody's suggesting China invented torture, though it's ironic that US torturers apparently developed their present techniques from Korean War-era manuals on resisting torture if captured by the Chinese. (Your homework for the day: Look up and study the words "ironic" and "apparently"). Torture was wrong when cavemen did it, wrong when Romans did it, wrong when ancient Chinese did it, wrong when Americans did it in the past, and it's wrong when whoever does it does it now. Knock yourself out, champ...

eastman

Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:08:22 +0800

To nanheyangrouchuan, Obviously you are an eunuch who worry for the things even the emperor doesnt. Did your Holiness Daliar Lala regret what he said about PLA-dressed-as-lama stuff? Sure he did, with a reason unknown only to you, the last idiot to know the truth, because you are the type with selective reading and memory. As to your "young female Chinese athlete with her underwear around her ankles", you show here again your "raping complex" as you did to that poor Canadian model. "Was She raped?" still remeber what you said? With a molested arsh, you sicko psyco are well understood, and forgiven, lol!

nanheyangrouchuan

Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:10:27 +0800

http://tinyurl.com/5ajemc

nanheyangrouchuan

Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:50:28 +0800

Is that Liu Xiang if he doesn't medal in the hurdles? Another more accurate picture would be a young female Chinese athlete with her underwear around her ankles.

eastman

Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:06:06 +0800

To WatchBagDVD ---"China inspired interrogations at Guantánamo"? I feel no surprised you belong to the same neo-con bandwagon as Dick Cheney who, how can you forget to remind me, had cried out aloud 2 weeks ago China was drilling oil in Mexico bay, lol! Want to look trendy and rightious? just bash China, which is so easy. You are smart enough to think it's not important who torture, but who invented it. If so you'll owe China another favor in unloading your Gitmo shit-hit-the-fan, after you had owed China a favor for a support of the game. WatchBagDVD, tell you one thing which beyond your ability to know: the world would look nicer if west leave China alone, while letting world know it is looking after its own ash that needs kilometer long toilet paper. Maybe that'll be the time for Chinese to look into the mirror. Hardworking Chinese don't complain to mistreatment and don't explain to the misunderstanding, an instruction by Confucous. Chinese value very much 韬光养晦 (hide capacity and bide the time) since Chinese is not interested in the last word, but last laugh. Don't take it as granted to insult Chinese at will as there is no free meal and in due time you will have to pay.

hotshotdebut

Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:26:44 +0800

I heard from somewhere that waterboarding is from Spanish Inquisition, so when it comes to torture, country is innocent. The fact that US learned from China doesn't make it any better for the US. Who learning from who is not the point. As long as you use torture, it is already bad enough even though the God told you too.

liliac

Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:59:53 +0800

sexy uniform :)

WatchBagDVD

Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:19:45 +0800

Those would be bullets, not darts. And yes, waterboarding is really bad. The US perpetrators of such torture and those who signed off on it, all the way to the top, should be held accountable. Too bad that they likely won't. I know you're a big fan of the New York Times, eastman, so I'm sure this NY Times article will be of great interest to you: China Inspired Interrogations at Guantánamo. Anyway, whoever is practicing it, torture and state-sponsored murder is a crime against humanity, no matter who the perpetrators are. That should be the point. All right, eastman: Let the childish garbled insults fly! I look forward to your response!

puhlease

Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:17:39 +0800

Great ads.

eastman

Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:09:29 +0800

Why dart? Waterboarding is better!