Shanghaiist: Videos: Forced evictions in Ji'an, Jilin Province

SZ man

Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:41:13 +0800

all hail the 50c army... If my math skills are right it makes it 1RMB for Eastman and 5mao for Prince just one quick question do you get paid by cash or by bank transfer?

Les Izmore

Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:02:22 +0800

taihanasie, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. The statement "the government has no right to forcibly evict someone from their house as long as that house is owned by the tenant," is patently ridiculous. Google the words eminent domain. In the USA if the government wants to build a freeway or an urban renewal project benefiting a big land developer they take away people's land all the time. Get your facts together before you go off. Also your 'killing the whales" diversion beats any of eastman's hands down.

liliac

Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:04:39 +0800

These little emperors and empress are really a bunch of middle class selfish brats...only when its convenient when the chinese govt says "it's okay you can protest, lynch mob, net hunt the "seperatist" the "cowards" etc... where are the MILLIONS of chinese who feel sympathy for these people not even a msn heart??? They get up-set with sharon stone said a some stupid comments, but they can't even face their own shadows, then they go off and make excuses that's its a anti-china crap from the west bla bla I am sure that big brother told them so.

vera

Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:16:35 +0800

Generally, the Chinese rich and middle class urbanites prosperity depends on the ability of the state to oppress and exploit the peasantry and working poor. This is a large part of the basis of China's prosperity and why my waitress makes less in a month than I pay for single meal. People like eastman and prince probably fall into the urbanite category, but they don't appreciate this or even have the intellectual curiosity to entertain it. You can only blame them for their lack of consciousness, for now at least.

prince

Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:19:28 +0800

I am very disturbed about this article....first of all , did you all do any investigation to find out if indeed those people are not just squatters? i mean this is just disgusting how easy it is to report about things without substantiating support. first of all take a look at that building ...it looks as if it's was an deserted and unsafe building...... The windows have been vandelized ....... so its must of been vacant and abandoned for a very long time! Squatters are the worse ...they come out from no where , bring their families , and they stay and occupy half torn and vacant buildings. Stealling energy ,amongst other things, from nearby lines , defecating, littering and messing up the place and the environment making it far worse than leaving it vacant . It also seems to be that the majority of the so called residents of that building had already left.. So how is it that if these residents legal rights were violated so many of them have left ? Usually the ones that stay behind have no right to that abode . When neighboring residents of the communities complain and /or its time for the community to rid unsitely abandonments and develop the area , the government agencies of variations try to evict them, which is done all over the world including the U.S.A. This is also for their own safety as well. Look at the surrounding there may not be running water anymore so how is it even sanitary and the building its self doesn't even look safe... ...If there are so many different departments trying to get them to leave, obviously they are not the owners of the property... normally the owners leave on their own accord , as the chinese government always pay the property owner to leave ....this is their way.... So i hope that you all are reporting on the real deal. And not just being yanked around by a distorted story about a resident who probably is unlawfully staying there in the fist place.....otherwise it is safe for us to believe that this article is another shameless scheme to make china look bad.. You people live here and make your money here ...respect the country and its authority when you can .... For the most part the country has come a long way ..give them credit , stop this unneccessary badgering as it is so bad..... It only make westerners look bad.....why are you here anyhow, if the country didn't offer you an opportunity so in essence would it be right to assume your exploiting.china for its benefits ???...quite bias huh...

eastman

Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:50:58 +0800

To taihanasie You are wrong, as always. When you say “the government has no right to forcibly evict someone from their house as long as that house is owned by the tenant”, you failed to know the recently enacted Property Act of the PRC protects people's rights of using the lands they leased from the State while land are NOT individualy owned but owned by State. When demoletion comes, state doesn't respect the right of tenent, only the legal owner whom state or developers who have paid the state will compensate. In this well-known case of Ji’an which last for years, this “last men standing” already got the highest package they ever dreamt of in their life time, much higher than any other removed tenents, even though they are not legal owners. They just bullied the governent while ignoring the repeated verdicts, order and warning of court. Who the SOB thinks they are? Hollywood monk Daliar Lama, the only one who dare to bully Chinese government at this moment? Olive can want more, but he cannot always want more. There must be limit. This kind of out-law gabbages, who you consider as dissidents and whose right you called as human right, should not only be treated like this, but also locked behind the bar as well, for at least a full 15 days. While recommending you to study Chinese law before commenting on China, I like to make you smarter by letting you have a good look at how similar cases was handled in the United States: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._New_London China is growing fast, so fast that you hate to see because you slept on the fruit trees in last 30 years. This“nail house”is the very reactionary force to our historical reform, but it's the best thing you can ever imagine, because the landlord happened to be state, of communists and the trouble can slow down our speed. Your hidden motive is obvious. Bottom line: Meanwhile I don't feel it proper comparing the eviction compensation with payment for raping of your daughter, though she is not daughter of mine. The compensation is according to PRC Constitution while raping your daughter is against it. ( Although payment for raping might be legal in your country, whether the price can be acceptable should not be up to your decision. Anyway it is none of my business ).

taihanasie

Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:23:10 +0800

"'Nail house' become a nail because all others removed. "Nail house" will be removed in any counries by "force" including USA according to law." Wrong. You are attempting a comparison diversion again, as is your habit. That in itself is ridicuous. But this time, your diversion itself could not be more incorrect. In countries where right to private property is honoured, even the government has no right to forcibly evict someone from their house as long as that house is owned by the tenant. As for compensation, whether there is a package or not is irrelevant. High compensation packages are offered to entice those who may value the money more than the property they are giving up. But who ever said that accepting compensation was mandatory? If you value the property more than the money, then the compensation is meaningless. What you are saying, Eastman, is that if someone gives me 10,000 kuai to rape my daughter, and I protest, then I am in the wrong because compensation was offered to me. Finally, in reference to the failure of the broadcast to mention the legal rights to the land, I would say that there was no need to mention them. Those who made the broadcast were clearly opposed to a system where the people don't have rights to their property. If Greenpeace is opposed to the killing of whales, and they publish a video that shows whales being killed by Japanese boats, does Greenpeace also need to say: "Um, by the way, killing whales is legal in Japan"? Nope. No need. "managed to understand even a bit what a woman shouted: " I f*ck your grandmom's bloody arsh!", lol! a curse by northeast peasant. Only now you stop calling Chinese mobster, I am sure." Forget the woman, Eastman. I don't understand what you are saying half the time.

eastman

Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:37:00 +0800

It's not called "Forced evictions",but "forced execution of verdict". Presence of law enforcement from the court is obvious in the video and the scale of the action prove the "nail house" stood there for lonjg year against court verdict. I notice with great interest in any biased report like this by west or by so-called dissidents, not mentioned are always compensation payments and the "hail house"'s legal ownership status. "Nail house" become a nail because all others removed. "Nail house" will be removed in any counries by "force" including USA according to law. Can you guys, who live in China live on China srew China wihtout China you cannot live, managed to understand even a bit what a woman shouted: " I f*ck your grandmom's bloody arsh!", lol! a curse by northeast peasant. Only now you stop calling Chinese mobster, I am sure.

vera

Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:37:19 +0800

When you have an earthquake, there is an outpouring of sympathy/nationalism, that is in part due to the government-controlled media using the media to manipulate the public and demonstrate just how very much it cares about the people. Remember, when all television channels were dedicated to earthquake coverage? But when something like this happens, it is only picked-up by "dissidents," and censored by the official media. This is disgusting, despicable, vile, criminal behavior on the part these officials and their partners in business. Where is the lynch-mob?

Bumix

Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:31:15 +0800

Wow, that was rediculous! I've never seen such a big brawl without a single punch being thrown before!