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So admittedly we're not an expert in India-China relations, but last we checked, they weren't exactly sour. Sure, we're not best buddy-buds with our neighbors to the South, but we seem to back each other up a lot on certain issues (like climate change).
According to one Indian analyst though, we're poised to attack them by 2012. Bharat Verma, editor of the Indian Defense Review, told the Indian Economic Times that “there are multiple reasons for a desperate Beijing to teach India the final lesson, thereby ensuring Chinese supremacy in Asia in this century.”
He listed a couple of points that outlined why we would ever engage in such a useless, costly, and geopolitically upsetting move:
- Pakistan is not doing well in its fight against India, and this matters to us because China "controls" Pakistan.
- India is totally allying with the US and the West, and China's scared about that because “the alliance has the potential to create a technologically superior counterpoise.”
- There is unprecedented internal social unrest thanks to the economic slowdown and China will deal with it by diverting troops away from where the social unrest is happening and into a country it has yet to find beef with.
Okay, so maybe you're getting that we think Bharat's a little bonkers (we're not the only ones). Really though, a war with India seems like the last thing China would want at this stage, especially since it seems more content to temper relations by becoming economically necessary to the country its rivaling. Besides, (as Verma admits) India would be pretty screwed if a war really happened.
But then again, we restate that we are not International Relations experts and who knows - maybe China will do an about face on their stance on global aggression, risking long-term damage to their economy as a way to try and distract from internal strife. Or maybe Hu Jintao will watch Chadni Chowk to China, get annoyed by how stupid a movie it is, and decide India deserves to be punished for it.
Hey, it seems just as possible. It was a pretty stupid movie. Come on, those yellow Kill Bill outfits? Really? That part took place in Japan, assholes.
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More like Bharat hawks trying to create a China bogeyman. You know the generals need some opportunities to buy more arms, to take more kickbacks. LOL! George Fenandes, the ex Indian Defence Minister, resigned in 2002 because of corruption and kickbacks in the Indian defence establishment.
Holy shit! For once I agree with BBC1. LOL!
Elaine, you are an idiot:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KG10Df01.html
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KG11Df02.html
China still has a very big territorial dispute with India over a NE state, which is home to Buddhism's second largest temple, a large population of escaped Tibetans and the the Brahma Putra (China is a bit thirsty you know).
When the Chinese ambassador openly declares this area to be "southern Tibet" and Beijing refuses to recant, something big is up. Besides, with the PRC economy in the toilet (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/KG11Ae01.html) Beijing needs something for the people to "get behind" like teaching India another lesson.
What actually saved China in the last war was the USS Intrepid battle group being send to protect China's troops on the Aksai Chin glaciers from Indian aerial bombardment.
"What actually saved China in the last war was the USS Intrepid battle group being send to protect China's troops on the Aksai Chin glaciers from Indian aerial bombardment."
Hahahahahahaha! LOL!
Lamb Shashlik is a bad fiction writer. The US was actually rushing to save India's butt in the 62 war. Indian forces were routed in the Western sector, just like they were in South Tibet in the Eastern sector. I don't think China will actually attack India, but I have to say Indian defences are woeful, like how they can supply the frontlines with mule packs thru monsoon territory. LOL!
Hey, your handlers are feeding you the wrong infos. LMAO!
China had no air power in that area during this time frame. The PLAAF was focused on 1. Taiwan 2. Korea and 3. the USSR.
China did beat the Indians, but the IAF was in position to cut up the PLAAF on the glaciers. The US wanted China as a hedge against the USSR and so took China's side, and our actions put India squarely on the side of the USSR.
Lamb Shaslik, what are you blabbing about? In 1962, the US was clearly on India's side, due to the anti-Communist stance of the US foreign policy at the time. It was only in the 1971 war that Nixon tried to use China as a hedge on India as US was pro-Pakistan at the time and India, although in the non-aligned movement, was clearly in the Soviet orbit. China of course had air power in 1962, so did India, but none were formidable. Both sides decided not to use it, although Indian bases were closer. If India could use its air power effectively in 1962, it could have, especially when you are suffering a humiliating defeat, one that still rankle Indians today. The indian army was very poorly equipped in 62, still usiong single shot Lee Enfileds against China's burp guns. LOL!
You obviously have no clue what you are talking about, as I pointed out correctly your BS comment about US Intrepid coming to the rescue of China.
It speaks volume that CHina has signed border treaties with all its neighbor except India while India has border disputes with all the neighbors and signed treaty with nobody.
hi i am Indian..... i saw the comments of Chinese . It seems that you guys are purposely inviting india for a war to acquire territory but this we have Tibetans on the side of india . more over if china enters india it will use nuclear weapons to destroy china fully....when india thinks of peace china should think for peace .....else....your fate
What an enlightened comment \sarcasm
On the other hand, China doesn't have border disputes with its neighbours - it thinks they are part of China, like Tibet, Xinjaing, Taiwan and the Indian states of Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh. It indirectly supports Islamic terrorists acting on Indian soil and gives missile (and probably nuclear) technology to a country that has a first-use policy towards India and does something similar with Japan. It also tries to block international funding for the purely peaceful development of 'disputed territories' and defends a terrorist leader who was released from an Indian prison at the behest of hijackers at the UN, supposedly for lack of evidence. It is pursuing a 'forward policy' similar to what India allegedly did before the last war, but this time all the action's happening in AP. While these are not acts of war, they are certainly provocative, and Indian leaders are wary of repeating Nehru's posturing, all bark and no bite. Symmetrizing their position on Tibet and Xinjaing with China's official position on Kashmir without actually arming terrorists or their sponsors would be a 'soft' option, for a start.
On the bright side, China's aggressiveness coupled with its economic might and the fact that its troops are far far better off logistically on the border forces India to do some hard thinking with respect to cooperation with the US and Japan in (da-da-da-DAH) containing China. Thus the far greater openness and readiness to negotiate with them on the Nucular (!) issue on all sides. It's about time it got off its high moral horse and behaved rationally.
Sathish, none of India's neighbors like her, like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka. When it comes to blows, Tibetans in China won't give a rat's arse about India. Also, when it comes to nukes, China has more than India and better rockets too. LOL! I actually don't think China will attack India!
Tibetans are actively suppressed in India at the PRC's behest, from peacefully protesting as is their democratic right \proud of my country
Money talks.
Tibetans, in Tibet and elsewhere, want a better life, as does everyone- but they also want freedom, not colonization by the... never mind, this is a blog about Shanghai, right? But there are a bunch of them who'd be happy to fight to the death with or without India's support. The PRC thinks so too- they moved tanks to Tibet during the Olympics, when they thought the time was ripe for revolution. Now, it's unlikely that you'd need tanks for a bunch of people armed with sticks. The PLA is plainly paranoid about India's plans for Tibet And if your neighbour is trigger-happy and paranoid, you'd clearly have a reason to worry. This leads to classic escalation.
I think you should travel more, since protests by Tibetans in Bangalore would not be reported by Chinese state-run media.
What would it do if an unstable nuclear-tipped ally (the PRC collects these) attacked instead? Aren't there treaties and stuff?
That said, I don't think China would attack. Money talks.
IMHO, Bharat Varma's wildly speculative, exaggerates needlessly, and states all the wrong reasons (yeah, he's bonkers). Do read the comments after the original article, including one by a certain Masud Omar from Bangladesh, they're hilarious. Chandni Chowk to China? oh you poor unsuspecting folks, did the name take you in :D
I didn't dare see it.
hi.....i happened to see this site and its contents and was utterly terrified. China and india are the rising superpowers, both having the potential to overtake the US and the western countries. But if a war ensues between them, i think it's gonna be india's day. I know it will tantalize the chinese fans, but it is a fact that the INDIAN ARMED FORCES are more TRAINED than chinese. Indian armed forces have more fighting experience as they fight restlessly with pakistan, drive them away, they fight along with the UN peace keeping forces, they are more healthier and taller than the chinese soldiers. Latest military expedition performed by the indian army,THE DIVINE MATRIX, is considered the best in the world. In the case of nuclear weapon systems, even though china is superior to india in many ways, they have the ability to repulse any attack china gives. India is developing INTERCONTINENTAL BALLISTIC MISSILES and by the time they finish it, they shall surely be superior to china, both economically and militarily. And the mention of the sino indian war of 1962 is no use here. Indian soldiers have successfully repulsed Chinese infiltrations in the regions of ladakh, sikkim, arunachal pradesh,....India have won 3 major wars against pakistan and their navy and air force are doing successful operations worldwide. But china have lost wars to USSR and others...hence there is no wonder that china fears india.....especially assosciation between india and US , INDIA and ISREAL...
ladies n gents,
its deja vu all over again,
http://tinyurl.com/27fm9u
hey nanhe
here we go again
are u banned by peking duck, if so that makes two of us now
you seem to be making a living outta china bashing
are u paid for this ?
i'm really intrigued by you n your ilks,
there seem to be any army like u out there
care to arrange for a meeting and have a cuppa or drinks perhaps ?