China India war in 2012? We say not likely.

[Chosun Ilbo] China's Next Leader Hails Korean War as 'Great and Just'

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Chinese Vice President Xi Jinping, widely tipped as his country's next leader, on Monday called the Korean War "a great and just war for safeguarding peace and resisting aggression." Xi was speaking in a meeting with veterans of the Chinese People's Volunteers to commemorate the 60th anniversary of China's entry into the war.

What actually saved China in the last war was the USS Intrepid battle group being send to protect China's troops on the Aksai Chin glaciers from Indian aerial bombardment.

listen thers no reason for US to help china againsts indians in sino-indian war because china's a communist country, allied to USSR(soviet union) not the US its fairly obvious.... only dumb will believe

and as the article u said theres no US-china alliance mentioned

that means you sir are an idiot

Additionally to comment on some earlier comments made on the topic:

As far as I understand, during the 62 conflict, the US was in strong support of India. This was the JFK administration. At the time the US was quite prepared to go the distance in its support of India. Interestingly, the 62 Sino-Indian incident happened during the Cuban missile crisis. JFK must have really had his hands full :-)

However, by 1971, during the third Indo-Pak war, the situation had completely changed and Pakistan was now a US ally. This was when the USS Enterprise was sent into the Bay of Bengal. However, there was no Indo-US confrontation and the USS Enterprise moved on to South Asian seas. It is generally accepted that it was a psychological pressure move by the US rather than any concrete intention of actually engaging. This was the Nixon administration. Nixon and Kissinger evidently weren't too enamored with India and India's PM, Mrs. Indira Gandhi. India's bonhomie with the erstwhile USSR did not help either.

Hello to Elaine and all others.

I came across this article while googling for Sino-Indian relations and future Indian war scenarios.

I have also read the article on which Elaine has referred to.

There are a couple of points I would like to mention. Please bear in mind, like Elaine has declared, I too am in no way an expert, just a layman interested in the matter.

In my opinion, Sino-Indian relations have been the victim of some unfortunately bad policy making/implementation and bloopers on the part of India and on the other side, opportunistic initiatives by China.

The first bad policy/decision making was by our PM Nehru way back when. At the time, there was no reason whatsoever, that any difference of opinion should have escalated into the 1962 conflict, had it been managed well by Nehru and the Indian Government. However, it must be said that at the time, the Indian government WAS Nehru. A temperamental and impulsive man (and unfortunately for India, shockingly short sighted), the government was pretty much run like his fiefdom. He could have handled the situation far better, and welcomed China's resolution efforts with some humility, which was not done. China felt let down by Nehru's about turn in policy. However, much of the country (I mean India) was also kept in the dark about the whole Chinese affair. The state of on going talks, the preparedness of the armed forces, the progress report of the war et al. Of course, ultimately Nehru very cleverly put the blame on the then Indian Defence Minister V.K. Menon, who had to take the fall, though apparently, he had little say in the running of the war.

In my understanding, this debacle of diplomacy (leave alone the war) sowed the first seeds of distrust between the two nations. As far as I know of history, China and India have not really had reason to consider each other enemies prior to this.

Another recent example would be our recent ex-defence minister George Fernandes (late 1990s, early 2000s) publicly declaring that China was the real long term enemy and not Pakistan, or something similar to that effect.

Such unfortunate things go a long way towards creating a state of suspicion and escalating tensions.

China, for its part, has very successfully used Pakistan as a perennial thorn against India's side, forcing India to commit far more manpower and resources than would be otherwise required. Also China has the advantage of confronting India with the possibility of engaging in a war on both its fronts simultaneously which is a tough ask for any country. For most of the balanced and informed Indians, this is what ticks them off with respect to China. It is not that China is considered an active threat, but that China is aggressively arming and funding Pakistan. There is no natural friendship or cause for collaboration between China and Pakistan. It is a simple case of "Your enemy is my friend", as practiced by China. This probably is the main reason why Indians are wary of China.

This, coupled with China's aggressive implementation of the much touted "String of Pearls" policy, (Coco Islands in Myanmar, effectively Bay of Bengal, port development in Sri Lanka and Gwadar, Pakistan) is what gets the Indian defence establishment wary, and if you think about it, the "wariness" is not entirely unfounded, when the military implications are considered.

Now, coming to the "border disputes" between China and India. These "disputes" have not yet been resolved since the 1962 incident. Yet, encouragingly, we have not gone to war again since then, though both countries have grown considerably in military prowess since then, China arguably way more than India. I think it is reasonable to assume that this could go on like this indefinitely without war ever breaking out.

There have been considerable steps forward too, like joint IN and PLAN exercises, port visits, China's endorsement of a seat for India on the UNSC etc.

But these are not enough.

What I, as a forward looking optimistic Indian would like to see, is steps (economic steps most obviously) that would tie India and China so close, that conflict between the two would be rendered inconceivable. Disputed territories ?? Fine. Set up a jointly owned free trade park/zone on these very territories whereby both countries stand to profit. Set up nuclear power stations bang in the middle of these territories, on the damn border, if you will, that would feed both the power hungry countries. Tie up currencies. Set up an goal oriented economic blocks with other countries in the immediate vicinity. Set up joint bi-national corporations that will bid for and build infra structure projects for both the countries and other developing nations as well. Measures like these will render war between the two impossible. This is THE only way forward, in my very humble and probably unenlightened opinion.

But hey, who knows what the powers that be in our respective countries have cooked up for us ?? And to stretch the point further, if India and China indeed were to take such productive steps forward, would the other "powers" in the world allow it to happen ??? All we can do is wait and watch.

For the future and well-being of 2 billion of our people, I hope Elaine is right and Verma is wrong.

Sorry if my post ran longer than intended.

Thanks and Best Regards.

India...returning to Mother Teresa's days of poverty?

But who said it is not in "Mother Teresa's days of poverty"? Coming to a fight, democratic but disordered India stands no chance against authoritarian but ordered China.

If China stops buying India's iron ore, coals and trade,India will be back to square one, returning to Mother Teresa's days of poverty. India buys arms from Russia and the U.S. at exorbitant prices. China is manufacturing its own and getting more and more advance each day. There is no match in an extended war with China. LOL.

hey ppl i just wanted to say that although right now definitely china is way more superior but it was and is wary of india's growing might in all fields and may use the arunachal pradesh and tibet issue to wipe out this competitor once and for all! And india would want to avoid this at all costs because it cant afford a war at any costs and wants economic stability to fight off poverty and become developed by 2020.

ladies n gents,

its deja vu all over again,

http://tinyurl.com/27fm9u

hey nanhe

here we go again

are u banned by peking duck, if so that makes two of us now

you seem to be making a living outta china bashing

are u paid for this ?

i'm really intrigued by you n your ilks,

there seem to be any army like u out there

care to arrange for a meeting and have a cuppa or drinks perhaps ?

hi.....i happened to see this site and its contents and was utterly terrified. China and india are the rising superpowers, both having the potential to overtake the US and the western countries. But if a war ensues between them, i think it's gonna be india's day. I know it will tantalize the chinese fans, but it is a fact that the INDIAN ARMED FORCES are more TRAINED than chinese. Indian armed forces have more fighting experience as they fight restlessly with pakistan, drive them away, they fight along with the UN peace keeping forces, they are more healthier and taller than the chinese soldiers. Latest military expedition performed by the indian army,THE DIVINE MATRIX, is considered the best in the world. In the case of nuclear weapon systems, even though china is superior to india in many ways, they have the ability to repulse any attack china gives. India is developing INTERCONTINENTAL BALLISTIC MISSILES and by the time they finish it, they shall surely be superior to china, both economically and militarily. And the mention of the sino indian war of 1962 is no use here. Indian soldiers have successfully repulsed Chinese infiltrations in the regions of ladakh, sikkim, arunachal pradesh,....India have won 3 major wars against pakistan and their navy and air force are doing successful operations worldwide. But china have lost wars to USSR and others...hence there is no wonder that china fears india.....especially assosciation between india and US , INDIA and ISREAL...

hi i am Indian..... i saw the comments of Chinese . It seems that you guys are purposely inviting india for a war to acquire territory but this we have Tibetans on the side of india . more over if china enters india it will use nuclear weapons to destroy china fully....when india thinks of peace china should think for peace .....else....your fate

Sathish, none of India's neighbors like her, like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka. When it comes to blows, Tibetans in China won't give a rat's arse about India. Also, when it comes to nukes, China has more than India and better rockets too. LOL! I actually don't think China will attack India!

Tibetans are actively suppressed in India at the PRC's behest, from peacefully protesting as is their democratic right \proud of my country

Money talks.

Tibetans, in Tibet and elsewhere, want a better life, as does everyone- but they also want freedom, not colonization by the... never mind, this is a blog about Shanghai, right? But there are a bunch of them who'd be happy to fight to the death with or without India's support. The PRC thinks so too- they moved tanks to Tibet during the Olympics, when they thought the time was ripe for revolution. Now, it's unlikely that you'd need tanks for a bunch of people armed with sticks. The PLA is plainly paranoid about India's plans for Tibet And if your neighbour is trigger-happy and paranoid, you'd clearly have a reason to worry. This leads to classic escalation.

I think you should travel more, since protests by Tibetans in Bangalore would not be reported by Chinese state-run media.

What would it do if an unstable nuclear-tipped ally (the PRC collects these) attacked instead? Aren't there treaties and stuff?

That said, I don't think China would attack. Money talks.

IMHO, Bharat Varma's wildly speculative, exaggerates needlessly, and states all the wrong reasons (yeah, he's bonkers). Do read the comments after the original article, including one by a certain Masud Omar from Bangladesh, they're hilarious. Chandni Chowk to China? oh you poor unsuspecting folks, did the name take you in :D

I didn't dare see it.

What an enlightened comment \sarcasm

On the other hand, China doesn't have border disputes with its neighbours - it thinks they are part of China, like Tibet, Xinjaing, Taiwan and the Indian states of Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh. It indirectly supports Islamic terrorists acting on Indian soil and gives missile (and probably nuclear) technology to a country that has a first-use policy towards India and does something similar with Japan. It also tries to block international funding for the purely peaceful development of 'disputed territories' and defends a terrorist leader who was released from an Indian prison at the behest of hijackers at the UN, supposedly for lack of evidence. It is pursuing a 'forward policy' similar to what India allegedly did before the last war, but this time all the action's happening in AP. While these are not acts of war, they are certainly provocative, and Indian leaders are wary of repeating Nehru's posturing, all bark and no bite. Symmetrizing their position on Tibet and Xinjaing with China's official position on Kashmir without actually arming terrorists or their sponsors would be a 'soft' option, for a start.

On the bright side, China's aggressiveness coupled with its economic might and the fact that its troops are far far better off logistically on the border forces India to do some hard thinking with respect to cooperation with the US and Japan in (da-da-da-DAH) containing China. Thus the far greater openness and readiness to negotiate with them on the Nucular (!) issue on all sides. It's about time it got off its high moral horse and behaved rationally.

It speaks volume that CHina has signed border treaties with all its neighbor except India while India has border disputes with all the neighbors and signed treaty with nobody.

China had no air power in that area during this time frame. The PLAAF was focused on 1. Taiwan 2. Korea and 3. the USSR.

China did beat the Indians, but the IAF was in position to cut up the PLAAF on the glaciers. The US wanted China as a hedge against the USSR and so took China's side, and our actions put India squarely on the side of the USSR.

Lamb Shaslik, what are you blabbing about? In 1962, the US was clearly on India's side, due to the anti-Communist stance of the US foreign policy at the time. It was only in the 1971 war that Nixon tried to use China as a hedge on India as US was pro-Pakistan at the time and India, although in the non-aligned movement, was clearly in the Soviet orbit. China of course had air power in 1962, so did India, but none were formidable. Both sides decided not to use it, although Indian bases were closer. If India could use its air power effectively in 1962, it could have, especially when you are suffering a humiliating defeat, one that still rankle Indians today. The indian army was very poorly equipped in 62, still usiong single shot Lee Enfileds against China's burp guns. LOL!

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about, as I pointed out correctly your BS comment about US Intrepid coming to the rescue of China.

"What actually saved China in the last war was the USS Intrepid battle group being send to protect China's troops on the Aksai Chin glaciers from Indian aerial bombardment."

Hahahahahahaha! LOL!

Lamb Shashlik is a bad fiction writer. The US was actually rushing to save India's butt in the 62 war. Indian forces were routed in the Western sector, just like they were in South Tibet in the Eastern sector. I don't think China will actually attack India, but I have to say Indian defences are woeful, like how they can supply the frontlines with mule packs thru monsoon territory. LOL!

Hey, your handlers are feeding you the wrong infos. LMAO!

Elaine, you are an idiot:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KG10Df01.html

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KG11Df02.html

China still has a very big territorial dispute with India over a NE state, which is home to Buddhism's second largest temple, a large population of escaped Tibetans and the the Brahma Putra (China is a bit thirsty you know).

When the Chinese ambassador openly declares this area to be "southern Tibet" and Beijing refuses to recant, something big is up. Besides, with the PRC economy in the toilet (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/S... Beijing needs something for the people to "get behind" like teaching India another lesson.

What actually saved China in the last war was the USS Intrepid battle group being send to protect China's troops on the Aksai Chin glaciers from Indian aerial bombardment.

Holy shit! For once I agree with BBC1. LOL!

More like Bharat hawks trying to create a China bogeyman. You know the generals need some opportunities to buy more arms, to take more kickbacks. LOL! George Fenandes, the ex Indian Defence Minister, resigned in 2002 because of corruption and kickbacks in the Indian defence establishment.