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Perhaps because of China's status as a mostly monocultural giant that's only just opening up the world, the topic of racism in this country is always a landmine-infested warzone. Just asking the question of whether most Chinese people are racist can cause the web to go into conniptions - an example being the Internet fight between China Geek and Hecaitou earlier this year.
Hecaitou was incensed enough by the semi-accusation to respond in English, arguing that China's never had slavery, so they can make fun of blacks; that the USA is more racist and therefore needs to be more politically correct and that no single black person in China has ever been discriminated against... amongst other things.
Right. Well, that was all done and buried with in March. What we're curious about though is, having read all that, what is his - and other prominent bloggers who may have touched on the issue's - reaction to how netizens are treating Lou Jing, the half-Chinese, half-black Shanghainese contestant on Dragon TV's Go! Oriental Angel?
Check out the comments, translated by China Smack:
The original post on KDS:
上海最绿的男人，老婆生下的是黑人小孩~~ Shanghai's Greenest (aka most cuckolded) Man, Wife gave birth to a black baby娄婧她妈妈有老公，后来和一个黑人婚外性，然后生下了娄婧，生下后她后离婚了。
而那个黑鬼 日完就跑回非洲老家了。
无法想象当时那个上海男人在怀着兴奋激动的心情下看到自己“女儿”是个黑人是什么心情Lou Jing’s mother had a husband, then had an extramarital affair with a black man, then gave birth to Lou Jing, and then after her birth divorced.
And that black devil, after fucking ran back to his home in Africa.
It is unimaginable how that Shanghainese man [husband], excited and anxious to see his own “daughter”, must have felt when he saw that she was black…
We won't bother posting the comments since they've already been translated on Chinasmack, but we did want to point out this tid bit. Lou Jing herself responded in a separate KDS thread:
I am Oriental Angel's Lou Jing, here is my statement!
1) My father is American, not African
2) I am a born and bred Shanghainese person
3) I am not responsible for my parents' mistake. I am not guilty!
4) I sterny and strongly protest the racism of some people. My skin color should not become a target of attack!I reserve the right to take legal action.
To which one of the most supported (thumbs upped) replies on Netease's BBS was this comment by some netizen from Beijing:
1.父亲 是美国人,不是非洲人,说明你比较鄙视非洲人. (Your dad is an American, not an African, meaning you look down on Africans)
2.你是土生土长的上海人,说明你比较鄙视非上海人. (Your a born and bred Shanghainese, which means you look down on Non-Shanghainese)
3.父母的错做儿女的怎么能不体谅,一下子跟你没关系了.说明你不孝顺. (As a child, how is it that parents' mistakes suddenly have nothing to do with you. It means you're not filial)
4.说别人有种族歧视,我看你有种族歧视,地域歧视,不孝女. (Saying other people are racist, I think you're racist, ethnocentric and an unfilial daughter)非洲人,外地人,及你父母将保留诉诸法律的权利... (Africans, waidiren and your parents reserve the right to take legal action...)
咖啡可乐. (Coffee Coke)
We guess the whole not understanding that your skin color doesn't mean everything to your nationality or identity could mean that perhaps the biggest problem is that many Chinese don't even realize what they're saying is racist.
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Insensitivity to racial issues does not equate racism. It just means that most Chinese have always lived in a mono-cultural and mono-racial environment and they don't realise that they have to watch for what they say to avoid offence. I don't think either Hecaitou or Wang Xiaofeng meant any thing bad or racist (I'm not sure about that random netizen, but there are people like that everywhere); they find something funny so they posted it without thinking that it might be offensive to some, and neither do they realise how it can be offensive to others even after it has been pointed out because they have not met anyone in real life that would be offended by such things. I think racism is a more political concept where a policy is set to purposely discriminate against a minority race. The truth in China today is there is some degree of reverse racism: people from minority races get many subsidies and even have marks added in university entrance exams. Many Han Chinese try to change their "Race" column in the population register to Uigher or Tibetan to gain those benefits.
It has nothing to do with insensitivities. This is the internet there's no real consequence to whatever you say online so it's easy to make racist or hate remarks. Basically anything goes.
aspire: totally. All the positions of money and power in China are dominated by the racial minorities, because of the massive reverse racism going on in China right now.
Right now in Xinjiang, Han Chinese children are being forced not to have lunch during Ramadan, even though a central tenet of their faith is that they should. The schools are all taught in the local language, they're all governed by ethnic Uighurs, Uighurs have all the best jobs, Han Chinese culture is being systematically attacked...you get the picture. It's ugly.
I watched the video of her singing, and in my opinion, she isn't very good. I do however think she is very attractive.
With that in my I have to ask this question: if she was just a normal Chinese girl, not particularly attractive in any way, but had the same singing abilities, would she still be on the show?
*my = mind
I think the saddest part is that this is exactly how the "discussion" would play out in an American internet board.
I read some firsthand comments on chinese forum boards and I was shocked in finding out people are happy she got kicked out of the show "because she is ugly" (sic).
What is wrong with the Chinese? With those legs, Bambi eyes and that skin tone, she's so hot she melts my ice cream.
fo real man. I hope she knowz english cos...MARRY ME!!!
I KNOW YOU ARE READING THIS: MARRY ME! 我爱你!
I dunno that just drives me wild knowing she's like "Chinese" but she's black. Somehow the thought of a Chinese black wife is hot. Damn, I'm twisted?
She's hot either way. I love her look.
Plus she's like the black SG (to me). LOL. Fuck.
Yeah, Americans are racist, Asians are traditional.
Nah, Asians, especially chinky-chong butt sniffing commie pigs are racist bastards.
That girl is h h h h HOT! And she is even proclaiming her chinese-ness (why?) and yet the vast majority of mediocre and ugly Chinese net girls and emasculated crap youth net boys attack her. That's right, drive her into the arms of an American or European and that is another girl China will not have to marry some scrawny cubicle bum.
Love you babe. Nanhey I love the way you hit me with them slaps.
Wow, that Hecaitou is a damned fool, and is doubly damned for being so clueless about being such a fool.
As long as this planet is concerned,China is the wackest country so far.This aint about kung fu & shit.This is about a human being.even poor countries like mali & niger republic are better than China.The size of a man does not determine his greatness neither his wealth.It's wisdom that makes a man great.A man can be wise & poor so fuck you chin-chun-chu racist ass bitches-wanna be americans.If you're black African,they think you're fucked but when you say you're American,their silly ass bitches otherwise whores give you their pussy for free coz they wanna go to America & meanwhile even low level Africans hate to be identified with chinese products coz they consider it a low level product.All blacks across the globe are from Africa.Early Americans are from Britain & Spain.They needed help to build America & went to Africa to steal help by forcing those Africans they captured in the name of slavery against their will to that American land that was occupied by RED INDIANS.So Africans help to make America what it is today & for a payback Obama is president.
So you ignorant chinese talking shit up here,fuck you.Nobody gives a fuck about you muthafuckers..not even Lou Jing.If she wasnt black,she wouldnt have made it to a TV show.The fact that there's a controversy regarding who her real father is & his whereabouts is not a yardstick for you little internet rats-wanna-be-thugs to start talking shit up here.Y'all fuck like dogs & got issues to so stop fucking with Lou Jing.Some of you asian bitches keep up to 15 boyfriends.What do you call that?
Dont none of you cock sucking chinese blame this little girl who knows nothing about how she arrived this planet.The dad told the mom he's american so thats what the mom told her.If the father had said he's African,she's gonna tell the world that so fuck it.Who really gives a fuck about shanghai or Taiwan or whether you're american or african does change a thing?Just be the best you can be in life & make yourself & others happy.Damn RACIST ASS HATERS!!!!!!!!!
While I do think that the nasty comments being made by the netizens about Lou Jing's mixed heritage, I don't think it is right to fight fire with fire. Meaning, nanhey and asante you guys are just exacerbating things by making racial slurs and derogatory generalizations about Chinese people. Those people who are criticizing Jing about her racial background are wrong, but so are you for calling them racist and then doing the exact same thing. Being a Nigerian born in America myself, I am more than familiar with the various forms of racism there are in this world and ignorance of the offense it may cause to others is no excuse to continue to practice it. Too much attention is paid to race and it becomes an indicator of character or identity and generalizations based on race or ethnicity or nationality only makes things unnecessarily complicated. Jing's race shouldn't be the topic of discussion, seeing as she was a television show about singing and modeling her beauty and singing ability (or lack thereof) should be the focus. Just my two cents.
Good points Nneka but Lou Jing was put on stage in the same context that the CCP "lets" its non-Han congress members wear their traditional outfits or puts minorities on stage during Spring Festival: Look at how diverse we are! Now sing and dance you little minorities and go back to your Han bosses in the provinces to do menial labor in service of the pure ivory Han-jobbers.
She is a showpiece for Chinese "diversity" but how is she treated in day to day life? Some nice foreigner needs to rescue her.
Nneka, don't fall for Nan's BS. He's not on our side. Nan and his white knight complex, she needs to be "rescued". She's been holdin her own forever in China. Let me just dig this gem up where nan gets owned by RainbowMongkol and he pusses out. At least you can see what kind of cave devil he is.
nanheyangrouchuan replied to comment from BBC1
The Koreans in Korea will also not harass/attack Japanese citizens and businesses if they lose and lose badly. China on the other hand is a bunch of snotty thugs with low skills, a quick temper and thin skin.
Yao is a good player but still hot or cold, a team of white Americans will still take chinky chong China to school on the court, the pitch, the pool and the fighting ring.
Reply | March 11, 2009 4:04 AM
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Author Profile Page RainbowMongkol replied to comment from nanheyangrouchuan
BBC1, just shut it. I'm so sick of people saying, "if you take the blacks out." We're just as American as anybody else, WE BUILT THIS! Why should we be taken out unless you're coming from some black racial superiority stand point in the realm of sports. If that's the case, that's where you lose all credibility with me. So, once again, keep your idiotic ranting to yourself.
Nan, you're such a racist. The very same thing you accuse the 1.4 billion Chinese out there to be. "Chinky chong china?" Sounds like the countless assaults my Chinese American friends had to endure on a constant basis both verbally and physically. The Chinese team did alright considering the fact that they were facing off against the best of the NBA. You have no idea how an all white American team would fare against the Chinese team. I would think the all white team might win just because basketball is such an institution in the U.S from our high schools to our colleges.
But, on to why I'm going off on you. I see you EVERYWHERE with your mindless ranting and raving about how China sucks and how irrelevant the country and it's people are. It's funny, you talk about thin skin but it seems though during your short stay in China, you were hurt so badly that you have to dedicate hours everyday to sift through the Expat blogosphere looking for bad news in China so you can wallow in it. Or to just engage in flame wars with others, meanwhile ignoring all the injustice and corruption going on in our own country. You proved that you're no political activist just through that.
What happened to you in China? Were you made to wear a dunce cap all during the while, peasants pelted you with garbage? Or did people look at you funny and you were made to feel like an outsider? That's a cakewalk for me compared to living in the U.S.
I bet you just expected to be treated like how you think a white man should be treated. Chinamen and women kowtowing and shuckiin' and jivin' to you. But that didn't happen, did it? and with that your house of white privilege came crashing down. Did it hurt that bad?
The sad and ironic thing is the people and country that you consider so low, inferior and irrelevant still have you waking every up every morning HATING or trying to find more reasons to hate them. Really, take a look at that.
Your racist, sexist and homophobic postings just ooze inferiority complex. Take a good long hard look in the mirror. You might even be outta shape just from all the hate posting you do. Hate is no good brother.
And with that zit popped and long winded post off my chest. I'm out! I hope we don't cross paths again but if we do, I do hope you took that look in the mirror.
I certainly wouldn't call that lame panda licking defense "owning me". Especially since I'm a sporadic poster and probably didn't go back to that post.
As for the house of white privilege, it has only recently begun to tumble. It was long and strong in the late 90s early 2000s.
And China's b-ball team sucks because they play big commie style and China believes that big men dominate. Which is constantly proven wrong by the team of small forwards and guards that the SK b-ball team is made of and regularly beat the commie baby killers.
And being racist would mean I was down on all Asians. It's like saying someone is racist because they don't like the Italians (who make great rifles, never used only dropped once).
EH heh heh, got ya a little flustered you lil devil you. Double post within 2 minutes without any decent rebuttals to Mongkols post. He's very right that the China that you consider so inferior have you up night and day posting drivel on all the different chinese blogs. As for that, "I'm not racist cause I don't get down on other Asians!" com'on dude. You know he wasn't using the word racist in the according to hoyle definition of racism, you do hate an entire ethnic group! I don't really care too much, just don't come on here in your phony defense of this sister when you're just as hateful as the punk ass racist net citizens. Man the fuck up and join stormfront, you lil bitch.
I checked the website attached to the posting and I also read most of the comments that were posted there also and to be honest it inst the best at all.
For me Chinese have always claimed to have a culture that oulives every other culture and for me I think its just a culture of ignorance and stupdity in the highest ranks ranging from their very head of government to the dude who cleans the street.
its pretty amazing how I felt and thought abt chinese to be lesser people infact lesser humans but the sense of equality and freedom preached to us over and over again makes us want to accept these lesser beings as equals and then back in their over populated home countries where they can barely fend for themselves they are the worst humans I ever met.
If I had the chance I would have told the whole world that we f-ing dont respect Chinese in America,Canada,England I mean you name it any where in the world we come from but then we see the urge and the decency to treat you as equals but am sickened by your attitude to others.
five million years of history based on stupidity and nonsense
OMG ... I am speechless reading all those remarks! It is really frightening to know that there are so many idiotic people with such shallow mind. The world is in for a rough ride if we are trying to make it a better place to live.
Those who wrote them nonsense are either retarded, mentally deranged, stupid or had a deranged childhood! May you rot in hell!
Honestly, discrimination happens in Western countries. If you dont believe, travel to the US and find out. You be treated like shit if you are yellow or black.
Lou Jing has done nothing wrong, her mother brought this upon her. But who has not faulted before?
We should give them a chance.