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Reactions to Google leaving China, here and abroad

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People laying flowers and bowing to Google's Chinese offices
Now that everyone's had a little time to digest the news that Google has presented an open challenge to Chinese censorship and cyber attacks, it seems like the general consensus is: Yeah, bye bye G.cn. Google's more or less sure to leave because the chances of the government a) admitting to cyber spying and b) allowing an uncensored version of Google's search engine to go up are pretty much nil.

This prophecy holds especially possible since it seems the net nanny has already begun its work on the news in China. While the story, in a very factual form, is still at the top of Sina's Tech webpage, it's no longer a trending topic on Sina's Twitter clone despite around 60,000 tweets on it just an hour ago. Meanwhile, a Netease translation of Google HQ's statement was harmonized pretty darn quick.

In fact, people have been leaving flowers in front of Google's Wudaokou office in Beijing as their sign of respect to a company that has brought the knife to its own 700-employee throat.

Interestingly enough, preliminary reports make it seem that Chinese citiznes are the saddest to see Google go. The Wall Street Journal said that in a poll on its website that 72% of 934 Chinese WSJ voters felt that Google should stay here, compared to a resounding 80% of English readers were adamant that Google leave. Some are reporting that Google.cn fans are now camped outside the Wudaokou branch, voicing their support for internet freedom.

Of course, there are still those who feel that the move is more about business than ethics. TechCrunch pointed out that Google was never able to move past its No. 2 position here and that publishing an English language blog post chiding the Chinese government was a PR move by someone already ready to cut the cord.

But several others have responded that even a No. 2 position in the world's biggest potential market ain't bad. As Robert Scoble of Scoblelizer put it:

...if you are an executive inside a large tech company you are always being pushed and pulled. I’m glad I don’t need to make that choice. Even in Google’s letter you can see the push and pull. They didn’t just say “we’re out.” Why not? Because of the pull.

Why doesn’t the US government do anything? Well, because the Chinese have loaned us tons of money because of our deficit. The government isn’t willing to put any penalties on Chinese products to force the door open for Google or Facebook. And it gets worse over time.

So, now that Google found out that it was getting attacked by hackers paid by the government it said enough is enough.

...This is the reality of dealing inside China. That’s why it was brave for Google to stand up to the Chinese government. Might have been a very stupid business decision (even being #2 in China means sizable profits and business over time).



James Fallows
adds that the decision to leave, whether it is based on business, ethics, or both, is incredibly significant:
The significance for Google is of the "last straw" variety. For years, the company has struggled to maintain the right path in China. Its policy around the world is that it will obey the law of whatever country it operates in...

Dealing with those requirements has been part of a non-stop set of difficulties for Google in China. More details about this later on. Like most other Western companies, Google has consistently decided to cope with the difficulties and stay in China. Part of the reason was the obvious commercial potential that the Chinese market has for almost any company in any industry. Another part was Google's argument -- which I basically believe -- that the Chinese public was better off with another source of information, even if constrained, than it would be without that option. But, as reported on Google's site, a latest wave of provocations and intrusions was simply too much...

Says Fallows, this signifies the beginning of "China's Bush-Cheney era":

In a strange and striking way there is an inversion of recent Chinese and U.S. roles. In the switch from George W. Bush to Barack Obama, the U.S. went from a president much of the world saw as deliberately antagonizing them to a president whose Nobel Prize reflected (perhaps desperate) gratitude at his efforts at conciliation. China, by contrast, seems to be entering its Bush-Cheney era. For Chinese readers, let me emphasize again my argument that China is not a "threat" and that its development is good news for mankind. But its government is on a path at the moment that courts resistance around the world. To me, that is what Google's decision signifies.

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  • nanheyangrouchuan

    Google doesn't need China, especially it has India and soon Africa. China is just a rotten hole and Baidu can do nothing outside of Mordor because it cannot get full CCPee support and defense.

  • BBC1

    google is threatening to leave china because of breach of privacy?



    google may not adhere to the contract it has to do business in china because of conscience reasons for privacy and human rights and 'don't be evil'(company motto).



    but consider this. ever since september 11 2001 our us government approved full unwarranted access to everybody's email and text messages and other communications. everything is filtered through the at&t telecommunications building in san francisco for our government to look for words and phrases and clues that deems harmful against the state of america. http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=at_t_1



    does 'don't be evil' not apply to the american government 'attacking' our emails without warrant?



    i would like to see google grandstand against the us government hacking our privacy as well! this is what called 'selective morality'.



    ongoing google vs china story. http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2010/01/13/2010-01-13_google_may_.html

  • Orpheus

    @Alec: your "fairly broad selection of news" perhaps doesn't include most of the leading publications in US and EU.



    Otherwise there would have been no place in your posts for silly comments like "you're not supposed to manipulate your currency or subsidize to the extent China does". Have you heard of a currency called US dollar? Or did you hole up in some hair saloon in 3rd-tier inland China, like a happy horny Rip van Winkle, over the last two miserable years that followed the subprime crisis (no, that's not a reference to the status of your sexual prowess)?



    China has many, many problems, which get legitimate criticism and calls for correction. However, it is important to get the facts right. A critic will lose credibility when he sounds naive or dishonest. This is why it is a moral obligation to be intelligent.

  • Orpheus

    In the future, Google can no longer claim to be a global company.

    Instead, Google will only be able to call itself "a global company minus China".

    It's funny to reflect on this silly status for one of the largest IT companies in the world who builds itself on the premise of enabling universal search on WORLDWIDE web.

    New website for Google: http://www(-china).google.com(-2nd largest economy).

  • Orpheus

    Google's stance is childish, befitting the maturity level of its two wunderkind founders.

    Baidu has proven to be evil. Now Google has proven to be...chicken. And hypocritical: I don't see anything in the latest developments, however annoying and wicked, that fundamentally changes Google's long (supposedly) held belief that the Chinese public was better off with another source of information, even if constrained; so either Google never really believes this "public service" argument, or has decided to betray it. Either way, not a proud moment for Google, who looks ridiculous on that moral high horse precisely precisely when it decides to choose cowardice and laziness..



    China is no place for wimps. But this land is where hypocrites thrive. Hey, maybe this co-opted hypocrisy IS Google's new approach to China. Welcome to the club, Google. Stay tuned, netizens.

  • BBC1

    That is great news, now my Baidu shares will soar. LOL! Having said that, Google just sealed its fate. It cannot be the world's greatest search engine if it is not even represented in the world's greatest internet market. And no one can blackmail China.

  • Alec

    I read a fairly broad selection of news sources every day, and in the last few weeks there has definitely - across the board - been a flood of articles criticizing China . . . mostly regarding their mercantile trade policies.



    It seems to me that many people who were willing to live with China rigging the system in their favor are now changing their stance . . . other governments because China's policies violate the principles of free trade (you're not supposed to manipulate your currency or subsidize to the extent China does) and hopefully now companies because of China's authoritarianism.



    Now that China is passing Japan for #2 economy size, passing Germany for #1 exporter, demonstrating through Copenhagen and Iran and they are not responsible stakeholders no matter how much they are engaged I think everyone is getting just a bit fed up.



    HOWEVER, Fallows is wrong. Bush was always willing to look the other way if it benefited his corporate cronies with subsidiaries in China - Barak (like Google) has already peeved the Chinese by slapping tariffs and becoming much tougher on trade . . .



  • EL JEFE

    The last pube of respect for Fallows has withered away. How is Google's policy change indicative of the beginning of a new "era" for China? And Obama less antagonistic to China than Bush was? Huh?

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