Quote of the Day: U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton

Bill Clinton was good enough to be our President. No one should question his patriotism and loyalty to this country over the interest of various donors. If there were a conflict of interest, I know that Bill will do the right thing if Hillary Clinton were Secretary of State. So don't blame Bill Clinton if Hillary does not get the job. She is qualified and that is all that should matter. The rest will take care of itself.

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Hillary Clinton couldn't even track her own husband, and she's purporting to dictate to the world how to live and what to do? HAHAHAHAHAHA! Get real. She has the *balls* (literally) to stand up and pretend to fight Internet censorship when this post is being pulled off US and UK websites quicker than you can say "Monica Lewinski"?

This is the biggest crock of propaganda ever spewed out of the White House. Google was a major contributor to the Obama campaign. China has the largest Internet population in the world. The *supposed* attack on Google was not sophisticated, if there was one at all which most with half a brain in the US understand. The CIA, SS, APNIC & CERT were all well aware of the so called port scans and "alleged" hacks supposedly originating from "China" and have been so for years, and have done nothing - the block of IP addresses they supposedly came from have contact information that is invalid, and could have easily been set up by anyone, anywhere. APNIC is well aware the IP address is registered with invalid information (FYI, APNIC is in Australia). It is, after all, good for the US economy to sell security software and keep whatever software developers that are left here in the US in work. And why should China worry about it - they do, after all, own 51% of Symantec. The first report of these hacks and scans came from a supposed "Congressional Aide" on some hokey political site over a year ago. This is nothing new. China has the world's largest Internet population in the world, and Google stands to lose astronomical amounts of potential revenue with porn being their biggest money generating source. Google forgets China is their *customer* and regardless of what WE want and like, it is China's choice what *they* want and like, and certainly not Hillary Clinton's. And frankly, China should not and does not care, and will hopefully take it for the stupidity it really is, since there has been NO substantiation to Google's claim - no details, no information except to say it happened. C'mon now.

Our US Internet infrastructure security is a joke here, in fact if one calls the White House and asks to speak with the "Cyber Czar" office, they will tell you they don't even know what a cyber czar is. Any offending IP block that's been scanning ports worldwide can be easily blocked, but have not been. No need to read this whole list - just look at hu is Number One and scroll down to the very bottom to see who is last:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2187rank.html

And we're telling the rest of the world how to live?

Google, Microsoft and Yahoo all paid the Obama campaign a great deal of money, and now they want their returns. And Microsoft even has their hand out for stimulus monies and *took it* so they could build a building to building bridge for their employees for starters - with *taxpayers* money. This Obama administration has been bought and paid for to do Google's marketing. Pathetic, indeed. And now the Google sissies are hiding behind Nanny Clinton's skirts like spoiled toddlers who want Mommy to fight their playground battles. The biggest joke of all is she is!

Do understand there are many American citizens that realize Clinton's bizarre speech for what it is - a payback to Google, Microsoft and Yahoo for the large campaign contributions, pimping them out like a back alley hooker.

Hillary Clinton hosted a Secretary of State dinner for Google not too long ago, spending tons of mental energy and taxpayers' non-existent money on who's allowed to see what, where and when online, when we've got a neighboring Nation experiencing the worst natural disaster in history shows the true colors of our current US leaders and what they are focusing on. No respect for the people and lives lost in Haiti, to stand up in the middle of it all with the "Clinton Doctrine" in the middle of that nightmare. God help us all.

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Hate to ruin your dream of grandeur, but, for all its past glories, contemporary China is no Rome, Sir.

"When you are in Rome, do as the Roman do. If you don't like it, get the f**k out."

Yes, it's terrible to read other people's email; HOWEVER, the real issue is the attempt to steal IP.

By stealing Intellectual Property, entire companies and industries can be replicated and stolen (i.e. moved to China), massive amounts of wealth lost, decades of R&D burgled, companies destroyed, jobs lost, etc. Many people are calling this an act of economic warfare.

Well quoted. But I disagree with CNN's "the Chinese hackers exploited to gain access".

Up to now Google hasnt yet handed over to CHina governemnt ANY report to prove it's done by China, while anyone with basic knowledge know an IP in China doesnt mean a Chinese, not mention government.

Given that US is the first to introduce concept of internet war and has biggest hacker army and China www.gov.cn were hacked over thousands times last year by we all know who, I've every reason to call Mrs. Clinton a thieve demanding people to keep the door unlocked.

Why would Google show the PRC how they got caught and what kind of footprint they left behind. China got caught, has red face and the economy is starting to falter.

Time to brush up on my Blueprint for the Permanent Deconstruction of China.

I told you folks so last week, Google was caught red faced when the Chinese hackers exploited google's own snooping activities, courtesy of US Government, of which the CIA runs the largest hacker team in the world. What does this hacker team do? They spy on China. LOL! Of course only idiots will cry for google. Now google, please hoor your promise to quit China. ;))

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/01/23/schneier.google.hacking/index.html?hpt=T2

U.S. enables Chinese hacking of GoogleBy Bruce Schneier, Special to CNN

January 23, 2010 5:20 p.m. EST

(CNN) -- Google made headlines when it went public with the fact that Chinese hackers had penetrated some of its services, such as Gmail, in a politically motivated attempt at intelligence gathering. The news here isn't that Chinese hackers engage in these activities or that their attempts are technically sophisticated -- we knew that already -- it's that the U.S. government inadvertently aided the hackers.

In order to comply with government search warrants on user data, Google created a backdoor access system into Gmail accounts. This feature is what the Chinese hackers exploited to gain access.

Google's system isn't unique. Democratic governments around the world -- in Sweden, Canada and the UK, for example -- are rushing to pass laws giving their police new powers of Internet surveillance, in many cases requiring communications system providers to redesign products and services they sell.

Many are also passing data retention laws, forcing companies to retain information on their customers. In the U.S., the 1994 Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act required phone companies to facilitate FBI eavesdropping, and since 2001, the National Security Agency has built substantial eavesdropping systems with the help of those phone companies.

Systems like these invite misuse: criminal appropriation, government abuse and stretching by everyone possible to apply to situations that are applicable only by the most tortuous logic. The FBI illegally wiretapped the phones of Americans, often falsely invoking terrorism emergencies, 3,500 times between 2002 and 2006 without a warrant. Internet surveillance and control will be no different.

Official misuses are bad enough, but it's the unofficial uses that worry me more. Any surveillance and control system must itself be secured. An infrastructure conducive to surveillance and control invites surveillance and control, both by the people you expect and by the people you don't.

China's hackers subverted the access system Google put in place to comply with U.S. intercept orders. Why does anyone think criminals won't be able to use the same system to steal bank account and credit card information, use it to launch other attacks or turn it into a massive spam-sending network? Why does anyone think that only authorized law enforcement can mine collected Internet data or eavesdrop on phone and IM conversations?

These risks are not merely theoretical. After September 11, the NSA built a surveillance infrastructure to eavesdrop on telephone calls and e-mails within the U.S. Although procedural rules stated that only non-Americans and international phone calls were to be listened to, actual practice didn't match those rules. NSA analysts collected more data than they were authorized to and used the system to spy on wives, girlfriends and notables such as President Clinton.

But that's not the most serious misuse of a telecommunications surveillance infrastructure. In Greece, between June 2004 and March 2005, someone wiretapped more than 100 cell phones belonging to members of the Greek government: the prime minister and the ministers of defense, foreign affairs and justice.

Ericsson built this wiretapping capability into Vodafone's products and enabled it only for governments that requested it. Greece wasn't one of those governments, but someone still unknown -- A rival political party? Organized crime? Foreign intelligence? -- figured out how to surreptitiously turn the feature on.

And surveillance infrastructure can be exported, which also aids totalitarianism around the world. Western companies like Siemens and Nokia built Iran's surveillance. U.S. companies helped build China's electronic police state. Just last year, Twitter's anonymity saved the lives of Iranian dissidents, anonymity that many governments want to eliminate.

In the aftermath of Google's announcement, some members of Congress are reviving a bill banning U.S. tech companies from working with governments that digitally spy on their citizens. Presumably, those legislators don't understand that their own government is on the list.

This problem isn't going away. Every year brings more Internet censorship and control, not just in countries like China and Iran but in the U.S., the U.K., Canada and other free countries, egged on by both law enforcement trying to catch terrorists, child pornographers and other criminals and by media companies trying to stop file sharers.

The problem is that such control makes us all less safe. Whether the eavesdroppers are the good guys or the bad guys, these systems put us all at greater risk. Communications systems that have no inherent eavesdropping capabilities are more secure than systems with those capabilities built in. And it's bad civic hygiene to build technologies that could someday be used to facilitate a police state.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Bruce Schneier.

A handfull of low breeding people at the bottom of the social ladder who behave badly does not represent the main stream of China. Anyone who is not ignorant enough would know about that.

So we should all engage in free peeing, spitting, teaching our kids to crap on the sidewalk and use an extra long pinky nail to mine for nose gold?

China is inferior to Rome.

When you are in Rome, do as the Roman do. If you don't like it, get the f**k out.

That's an admirably realistic statement, slyly sardonic and more than a little humorous, pointed yet not unduly insulting.

This is how adults talk, Sergey.

And shame on you, CCP.

Pity seems she has to fight a lonely war while Google has finally decided to "continue to follow their laws" and help "government censors" her, somewhere it made $2.5 billion in the 4th quarter alone, for the sake of Chinese whom Google loves but who prefer CCP's rule, and for sake of its 800 employees who might help hack its server from inside.

What a farce, lol!