It’s just ONE DAY until Liu Xiaobo (or at least his picture) receives the peace prize and rhetoric about it has been roughly the same, but maybe turned up a notch. Earlier, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Jiang Yu called everyone opposing their decision to oppose the prize “clowns,” noting that “All policies in China are for the interests of the majority of the Chinese people. We will not change … because of the interference of some clowns who are anti-China.” And today, an equally furious op-ed was published in the Global Times.
Yes, the Global Times writing frothing editorials is nothing new – and heck, it’d be weird if they didn’t righteously chest thump during an event like this – but the level of paranoid “WHY DO YOU ALL HATE CHINA?” artistry this one takes it to makes it worth recording down in history (or at least this blog). The best parts below:
For its China as sports ingénue metaphor:
The modern world is much like a sports arena, in which China has passed the first round and qualified for the final. As a newcomer, China may not be well prepared, with sloppy technique, lacking audience support and seeming like a stranger to the surroundings. China has no other choice but to fight on in the competition, strictly following the rules set by others.
Suddenly, boos and catcalls resound from the stands, from the Westerners in the pricey seats. Worse than this, the referee blows the whistle against China, amid jeers from cheerleaders and media, relishing exposing China’s “scandals.” What can the Chinese team do?
For its interesting interpretation of Chinese history:
Chinese civilization has long upheld the tradition of befriending all people, and public opinion in Chinese society is also in favor of making friends with the West. In the 1970s and 1980s, the West showed genuine goodwill toward China. But later on, especially since the turn of the century, the West has changed tack. It has begun obstructing the rise of China, which seems to be the last thing they want to see.
For its way of putting you in a “you’re a sheep if you don’t agree with what I say!” dilemma:
It might be advisable for China not to buy the conspiracy theory, for communication would be much smoother if given the benefit of the doubt. However, China has to maintain its independence in thinking and ensure its discerning ability is not swayed by outside powers. As long as China can keep its independent judgment, its security will be ensured even when faced with a conspiracy.
Any other nominations of fiery rhetoric? I’m expecting something equally hilarious in comments in 3… 2… 1…
The slave drivers of China should have taken their usual approach and not reported on the issue at all. Now more and more Chinese people will look further into who Liu Xiaobo is and find a person who has spent much of his adult life in prison for PEACEFULLY speaking out against real injustice; then after that, the people will find out about the thousands of other dissidents imprisoned by the supposed representatives of the Chinese people.
This new vitrolic approach is no match for plain ignorance.
Downplaying your arshacke by highlighting China’s badness. You’ll always point finger at others yelling “thats the badder guy!”. But did China ever call itself democracy, like US did each day?
Many idiots just failed to realize one thing, simple but not that so obvious to blind eyes, that no single organization in this world is NOT bias and NOT manipulated. I would have to call you a fool if your belief could still not be shaked up by the fact that organizations like Amnesty International and Reporters Without Father already joined Pentagon in badmouthing Assange.
WHY DO YOU ALL HATE CHINA? I suggest the soul searching question be asked this way: WHY WE ALL HATE CHINA?.
Did we hate China that much when China was so poor and policed, even in CRL when communist was real commie, or do we hate China only because of Liu Xiaobo? Did China bomb our country or export hunger or revolution or threaten us with carriers at door?
As a doctor, I know I know. When Obummer yelled an united American voice — “we’ll not be No.2 ”, I felt the gathering hatred which is at its utmost when mixed with jealousy and fear. Instead of a racing arena, I’d rather compare the biting feeling with how you witness the poor boy next door growing rich. When he buy a new Mercedes while you have a rotten Toyota, he causes jealousy. When he buys a pistal though you still have a machinegun, he causes fear. You are so thrilled that he finaly agree to move that you invite him sucker to dine on same table, only to find out he will move from your left to your right to a bigger house and also buys a new shot gun only redneck use, since he learns real quick. Well you know that feeling and hate to tell, especially when More than 50% of you are worse off now.
The helpless jealousy grow gradually and unnoticed, which you may call as emotion but I call as clinical sickness, to put it simple. Though a British listed co. will market soon a new tablet for curing it, but I don’t believe in it. The sickness of jealousy which Westerners are having collectively at moment can be cured only by time, a time when China brakes on development and West economy turn healthy, hopefully, or when boy next door prove his shotgun serves only for scaring bully like USA and also show no interest to be No.One to carry the costly night-pot though you would accuse him again as irresponsible to the community with so much money he has…
Wish all the sick of West, (Elaine sure not included fortunately she is us Chinese) , to recover soon as China boy to mercifully slow down to ease your pain.
A tip: Since you guys are already pretty sick, under no condition you should take a wrong medicines.
Does the writer of the original piece for the Global Times realize that his purple-faced, foaming-mouth rant is an embarrassment to China?
This laughable, feral rhetoric sounds more like the North Korean state media, certainly not the official or quasi-official position of a serious government.
Unfortunately, part of the governing mechanism and political culture in China is the reinforcement of opacity, which is dangerous and prone to create conflict.
Last and least, Rushour, you are a loser and a failure in your life, I am sure. Your motivation for posting such nonsense is that you seek dignity by association with your nation and ethnicity, since you cannot achieve these things yourself.
While atleast a week ago I could search Liu Xiaobo on google, wikipedia, etc., and find information, today the sites don’t load. The same goes for the Nobel Peace Prize website. I guess the CCP is just protecting us from the violence of Liu Xiaobo’s words. It’s Hu Jintao who really should be given the peace prize tomorrow; I’m sure he’d be able to attend the ceremony.
I don’t hate China; I hate the CCP and all other governments that try to limit individual freedom (sometimes that includes the western governments). I have tons of great Chinese friends, I don’t hate them for being Chinese. I’m sure they’d laugh at a loser like you for your blind flag waving. A government is not granted power by God, and the CCP wasn’t even granted power by the Chinese people; it has no right to claim it speaks for them.
If calling Chinese losers could ease your pain, I wouldnt mind as a successful doc.
You know part of reason for your hatred and jealousy of China come from so many successful Chinese around in China who look at your back and laugh at your rotten pants. Most tragic thing by jealousy is your trouble already caused your pain while others’ success make you more miserable. I wonder how much you can carry on your camel back.
Bravo! The first time I hear from Duck he hates “other governments that try to limit individual freedom includes the western governments”!
Seems you are finally moved and enlightened by my “pot n kettle” story. So lets screw your government together before its too late, as long as you have a political prisoner in London jail who could be fully quolified a Nobel Prize if he were a Chinese, lol!
Rushour once again lays bare his primitive, child-like psychology. Don’t you realize the way that YOUR posts reflect who YOU are more than the person you are insulting?
As others have noted, it seems you probably have some diagnosable mental illness.
I’ve said the same thing before. When will you appreciate that one can criticize the Chinese government’s actions without being anti-Chinese or upholding Western values? In fact, the people of Taiwan share similiar cultural values with the Chinese people, but they live under a democracy that promotes free speech. You continue to point out the faults of the American government, but American journalists are as critical of the American government as Liu Xiaobo was of the Chinese everyday, yet they aren’t thrown in jail.
If I criticize the American government, it’s because I don’t agree with what they are doing, it doesn’t make me anti-American; on the contrary, it’s because I believe that the country deserves better. Similarly, China deserves a government which allows people to hold and express dissenting views, rather than treating them as children to be dragooned and lectured to.The reason why China is receiving such widespread criticism in the West at the moment has nothing to do with desire to weaken the country, and everything to do with the Chinese government’s intolerance of independent thought, and its insistence on monopolizing the media.They may succeed in imposing their will within China, but they won’t succeed in the rest of the world, and their efforts to do so diminish them in the eyes of thinking people everywhere.
Democracy is indeed something that most of us want to see being achieved in China. But I would like to remind all of us that China has 1.3 billion people who speak different dialects and come from different backgrounds. To achieve democracy and yet remain united, is something that is very difficult. But having said that, I am not against a democratic China. I am all for freedom of speech. But, it is worthy to note that China is a vast country and democracy takes time. China is still growing, cut her some slack.
me mental illness? with your dear ex-prez as lunatic model, i dont care how you call me. why dont you call me low iq under 100?
but what we are talking about here is westerners’ jealousy of china, which involves–fear, suspicion, anger, hatred, low self-esteem,loneliness, frustration, inferiority feeling, all dilemas of which i can easily diagnose on you. oh, i almost forgot the most important one exclusively for yanks and you: a desire to own rival’s charm and to occupy rival’s belongings. lol!
Dear Rushour,
It is interesting that you identify so closely with your own government, that you feel claiming the former US president was a so-called “lunatic model,” is enough to excuse all of your behavior. Again, your childlike mentality is laid bare for all to know.
You claim that I and other westerners are “jealous” of China, but I can tell you that you are quite mistaken. To be perfectly honest, on the whole, the country and society aren’t overwhelmingly impressive to outsiders, as you seem to believe.
Certainly, I have respect and affection for the culture, my friends, and the opportunities allowed to each of us, but certainly not in the manner or to the degree that you believe.
This will be my last communication to you.
I’d totally do that PRC stooge at the podium. Might even go down on her!
I assure you that population or diversity has nothing to do with China’s languishing political reforms. Your comment also fails to take into account that most are being critical of the “CCP” not “China”. It’s attitudes like yours that pretty much guarantee that no political change will ever come to your country. Your leaders have never publicly come out to ask the you to be patient for political reform b/c “there are just too many people in China”, yet you make up this excuse for them anyway. No one with any power is promising you change, yet you think it’s going to come gradually? And in fact, at the end of the day no one is trying to force China to be anything. If the CCP would simply stop throwing fits internationally over inconsequential matters, and spreading xenophobia amongst its people with op/eds like the above , maybe your country would have a better reputation in the world. China’s reputation does not suffer because it is not democratic, it suffers because the “clowns” running your country have no idea how to responsibly represent the Chinese people’s interests abroad.
The main reason why developing countries resent Western intereference is not so much the fine words on human rights and the principles of human rights, but the actual underlying motives of the West in pushing their so called ‘human rights’ agenda.
It’s simply an upgrade of the way the Bible was used in the past – the coloured man got Christianity, the white man gets the land. Nothing wrong with Christianity in itself, but it was used as a cover to advance imperialist interests.
Now if the West really was concerned about human rights, it would do everything possible to gain credibility with developing nations, to assure them that they really meant no harm.
The first thing to do of course would be to apologise unreservedly for the crimes of colonialism. European colonialism killed over 50 million Africans and Asians in the 20th Century alone (at a bare minimum), and many millions more of course before that. Westerners still cling to the same flags, symbols, under which these atrocities were carried out.
By any measure, European colonialism killed far more than the Nazis in Europe. In fact Nazi race theories had their antecedents in Western racial ‘science’ and the justification of extermination of native peoples for living space for white people.
What should happen of course is the West thoroughly goes through a period of pennance for the Opium war, King Leopold, the genocide of Phillipinos, the genocide of the Hereros …etc. All symbols associated with colonialism should be expunged from public life, the monarchies under which imperialist genocides carried out abolished, text books written which openly face up to the crimes of colonialism – in short a period similar to that which Germany was forced to go through – a thorough denazification.
And renditions of ‘rule britannia’ should invite the same opprobrium as the ‘horst wessel’.
Compensation should be paid out to countries which were victims of imperialist aggression (China should consider its legal options in demanding reparations from Britain for the Opium War).
Once the West has done all of the above, its message on ‘human rights’, if they are still so shameless as to want to peddle this stuff after all they have done, will resonate far better than it currently does and cause far less offence.
At the moment the West lecturing the developing world on ‘human rights’, is as absurd as say a non-denazified Germany lecturing the United States on its incarceration rate.
“If the CCP would simply stop throwing fits internationally over inconsequential matters, and spreading xenophobia amongst its people with op/eds like the above , maybe your country would have a better reputation in the world.”
icecat77’s racism is so severe it is unconscious.
Sorry ‘world’ opinion does not equate to just what a smattering of Western nations think. The vast majority of the world’s countries have little problem with the way China conducts herself, either internally or externally.
Most Nigerians, Russians, Mexicans, Indians, Burmese, Indonesians, South Africans, Egyptians, and Cubans could not give a stuff about lecturing China.
It is only those few Western countries bitter about their loss of imperial hegemony, who seek to undermine China. And these countries are far from representative of ‘world’ opinion. Even though people like icecat77 probably believe the opinion of one white man is equal to that of 100 yellow men.
Icecat77 is an utter racist, through and through.
As typical of someone who gets paid 5 mao for their comments, subutai, you ignore the subject and attack some obscure idea of Western human rights, as if Chinese people didn’t mind being subjugated. I assure you they do. How do I know this? Because my Chinese friends are critical of the CCP; because I have read the essays of those Chinese people who have the courage to stand up to authoritarian rule; because thousands of Chinese people are imprisoned every month for speaking out against injustice (just because CCTV doesn’t report it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen); and because Liu Xiaobo is Chinese, not some Western pawn. You are right, Western nations are also guilty of injustices; but that doesn’t make the CCP’s injustices any less.
As for why you chose to list those particular nations as not caring about human rights in China, I don’t know. Some of them will be sending represntatives to the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony for Liu Xiaobo, and India is the home of Nobel Prize winner and leader of a nation (Tibet) exiled due to Chinese imperialism.
you my friend, are ‘off the deep end’.
“as if Chinese people didn’t mind being subjugated”
On the whole the Chinese government is very popular. Why. Even Richard of Peking Duck(a white man no less!)of Peking Duck says so.
“I think the government there has done some amazing things, and I think most Chinese people are more than satisfied with their leaders. I never advocate ending the rule of the CCP and instituting Western-style democracy; it would be a catastrophe.”
http://tinyurl.com/28lmsga
But seriously the only scientific polling carried out to date is by the Pew research centre. As that well known communist propagandist, Patrick J Buchanan writes:
“In a survey of 24 countries by Pew Research Center, the nation that emerged as far and away first on earth in the satisfaction of its people was China. No other nation even came close.”
http://www.vdare.com/buchanan/080807_governments.htm
Daffyduckinhollywood: you got something which contradicts the finding of that poll, apart from your chinese running dog mates?
“because thousands of Chinese people are imprisoned every month for speaking out against injustice”
Really? Can you please provide something to substantiate this claim.
…and because Liu Xiaobo is Chinese, not some Western pawn
Anyone who says something like this, to my mind, and the mind of most Chinese people, is definitely a Western pawn, and worse:
“China needs at least 300 years of colonialism, if Hong Kong has needed 100 years for this kind of freedom and prosperity.” Liu Xiaobo.
Liu Xiaobo is basically the equivalent of a Jewish person who praises German fascism. He is analogous to a ‘Kapo’, one of those sell-out Jews who helped push their fellow Jews into the gas chambers.
“and leader of a nation (Tibet) exiled due to Chinese imperialism.”
There you have it! As with most whites who claim to be so concerned for the ‘human rights’ of the Chinese people, the real goal of these types of ‘people’ is to tear China asunder.
Tibet by the way was part of China well before all those smelly white people turned up on the american continent to exterminate the original inhabitants of that place, and steal all the land. Even the KMT holds that Tibet is part of China, and as early as 1942, the US government assured then Chinese leader Chiang Kaishek that they recognised Chinese sovereignty over Tibet.
“As for why you chose to list those particular nations as not caring about human rights in China, I don’t know.”
99.9% of anti-China agitators are whites from a handful of Western countries. Even in those Western countries themselves, you hardly see coloured people come out and attack China.
“subutai, you ignore the subject and attack some obscure idea of Western human rights,”
I most certainly do not! In fact I have provided a suggestion as to how people like you can get your message across better!
If the West thoroughly repudiates the crimes of imperialism, pays compensation to the countries abused by the West, and expunges the symbols of imperialism from public life, in a way similar to what Germany was forced to do, then your lectures on ‘human rights’ will resonate much better among us ‘heathens’.
Why are European victims of genocides carried out by other Europeans, so sanctified, and their sufferings so widely acknowledged. Yet genocides such as that of the Hereros, Phillipinos, Congolese, and Kenyans not worthy of even an apology?
Answer me that you racist hypocrite.
TL;DR
“expunges the symbols of imperialism from public life”
Does the include removing the banking and investment sectors from Hong Kong. Remove the railroads from India?
Do the Jews say ‘get rid of Beethoven’ or even ‘get rid of Wagner’ or ‘get rid of jet engines’ (designed first by German scientists).
Of course not. But they have every right to demand that the swastika be banned.
Of course I am not making demands on the West. I’m simply saying that before the West really make amends and shows genuine contrition for the crimes of colonialism, any preaching about ‘human rights’ will rightly be seen by developing nations as the hypocrisy it so obviously is.
Fifty million Africans and Asians slaughtered by white colonial powers must never be forgotten.
http://tinyurl.com/2cf8sfp
Who hates China? The entertainment value is so good
LOLLL!!!!1
The person most deserving of the peace prize, Julian Assange, is now incarcerated in a UK prison.
Now relying on Youtube, in addition to insults, to buttress your limpiness. LOL!
Well, icecat77, I am not siding with CCP nor China but I have to disagree when you say “And in fact, at the end of the day no one is trying to force China to be anything.” Because the fact remains that many people are indeed trying to force their ideals on China, especially those from the West. Western-style democracy is not suitable for China, at least not in the near future.
“I assure you that population or diversity has nothing to do with China’s languishing political reforms.”
To this, I am compelled to say that vast population and diversity have everything to do with making reforms. Is it not harder to govern a country and have it remain peaceful and united when so many people come from different backgrounds and have different opinions on how China should be run? The first thing that will happen is Taiwan and Tibet breaking away from China.
I am not making excuses for CCP, and neither has CCP promised any changes. BUT, even for change to come, we have to consider China’s perspective. And in China’s case, they are opening up aren’t they? Consider how much more Communist China was just a few decades ago. I do not believe that the CCP is so stupid it thinks it can control the minds of 1.3b people and keep everything under wraps in this modern world. But for the CCP, it has to keep social order, no matter what. On the other hand, I do not agree with CCP’s ways such as jailing dissidents. And indeed, many Chinese themselves are very critical of the CCP. But Western countries are not making it easier for CCP/China to change by lambasting CCP/China all the time. Hasn’t it been long enough that we all should know that that wouldn’t work on China? That would only make the CCP more hard-handed on its citizens to retain social order. China is not going to listen to the West. Right now, China is in the spotlight for every single issue because it is gaining influence and especially economic clout in the world. And many feel threatened.
Reform is going to be a long process.
Why not give the peace prize to Julian Assange?
December 10, 2010
If we want to talk about someone who is now a figure in the global spotlight, then who, if not Julian Assange? The founder of the Wikileaks website has been the subject of a worldwide manhunt by Western nations led by the United States, and all because he wanted to release a number of secrets that could not be spoken. Based on what we know, Assange, who was arrested in London on December 7, will have to face a two-year jail term . . .
Assange’s misfortunes tell us that the freedom of speech that America advocates is not an absolute freedom, that it is a matter of kind and degree, and that it has its limits. Ordinarily, if you say vicious things about the American government, talk about its problems, or even openly critical the American government, this is nothing very remarkable. But this time Assange has dared expose the truth, airing out before the world a number of things and remarks that the American government wouldn’t dare make public, make transparent or share with others — and this has stepped over the line of America’s freedom of expression. And the worldwide manhunt [for Assange] is no surprise.
And this brings us back to the Nobel Peace Prize. According to the decision by the Nobel Committee and the remarks of a number of other Westerners [concerning Liu Xiaobo], considering the acts of free speech in which this Assange has personally participated, opposing all on his own the “government violence” of several Western nations, could he not be regarded as a “fighter for freedom of expression”? Why don’t the noble members of the Nobel Committee claim that the Peace Prize is given “in the defense of freedom of expression,” and then give it to this Assange who has been persecuted, chained and jailed by the West?
Everyone knows, of course, that this is impossible. . . . and the question of who can and who cannot obtain the prize is now entirely a matter of the likes and dislikes of the United States, NATO and the nations of western Europe, and depends on whether or not the recipient of the prize can become a tool for Western forces in attacking countries with different ideologies. Even if this tool is serving out a prison sentence for violating the law, so long as the tool can serve its purpose, they see nothing wrong with awarding them the Peace Prize.
Look through the name list of those who have received the Nobel Peace Prize, from Sakharov, who advocated division in the former Soviet Union, to Gorbachev, who single-handedly disintegrated his own nation, then to the Dalai Lama, who pursued “Tibetan independence” through violent terrorist activities, and to Liu Xiaobo, who is now serving a sentence for violating Chinese laws — all are tools of the West in promoting its values and ideology.
Assange wears the placard of “freedom of expression,” and this placard itself is something the West habitually uses to flaunt itself and intimidate others. But his actions [Assange’s] have actually jabbed at the American government and made Americans very unhappy. There is little hope, therefore, that he will be considered for the Nobel Peace Prize. If Mr. Nobel knew just how his Nobel Prize was being so spoiled, I wonder what he would think!
It seems that Westerners are more enraged about Liu Xiaobo’s welfare than Chinese shows that Liu Xiaobo serve Western interests more than Chinese interests. This a western paid stooge is currently rotting in jail because he chose to be a spokesperson for Western propaganda. Who cares.