Chinese student on 9/11: I was "overjoyed"

I am sure I can find that well luned asshole in you.

Drone is mad.

DefiantVOA, now I have time for asshole. Come and bent down, I am sure I can find that well luned teethed asshole on your redneck.

Pat, pat the drone's head. Oww you are stress out.

"Dude needs to get his visa revoked."
-> Is that the thought police?

I wonder, with same standard, how many CHinese visa to expats would be revoked.

Self-serving laowai come to China and exploit the system because the system is exploitable.  Laowai can do and say awful things because they're allowed to do them.  Because you allow them to do them.  If laowai were all truly inherently evil (and not influenced by moving to a new culture that has no moral system of checks and balances) then you'd ban them from China. 

You did that.  It's called 1966-76.  You still need whitey to extract management technique/technology/husbands for those don't "pull out and run".

What other normal people call Mos Eisley, you call Shanghai.

Gee, boy. I dont know much about Mos Eisley, since "Star War" is only for yanks kids. But I do know Dale Ernhardt from his signature on your collected shirt. Guess you must be the type who will pull up your pants quickly whenever  seeing a sign "say no to crack". lol!

Could the "2 people" who liked this comment please explain it?  I understand that it's a put down since it's coming from the Raw, but just because he "lol's" at the end doesn't necessarily entail logic and a put-down.

Here's a joke for you:

Q: What does Star Wars, Dale Emerhardt, and crack have to do with each other?
A: LOL!


I win!

I am sure you make a good drone.

No matter how many assholes you have by birth in last year or whether you were Caesar born, the cut of which you should ask your dear mum to keep, its still useful for me, kid.

Be nice drone.

The 9-11 attack shud be condemned and this tragedy also killed Chinese people. The fact that a person from China was overjoyed at the event should not be used as a generalization of what the majority of Chinese think. I remember when there was the Yushu earthquake, Americans in droves flooded the Yahoo comments pages gloating about "dead" Chinese, despite the fact they were unaware the town was populated by Tibetans. 

The kid's remarks about going to the US also reflects a fundamental truth, that Chinese migrate to the US for economic opportunities, and not for its so called democratic human rights blah blah!

Then do it.  Don't talk about doing it.  Say that this kid, A CHINESE, is wrong.

Yes, it's a slippery slope, but I only see your mouth signing cheques your ass can't cash (thanks pseudo-Columbo!).

Fundamental truth ..hahaha... so redundant and yet so contradictory... Someone was reading the bible in his spare time I see.

Let's be clear: this kid isn't saying this because he's patriotic to China, he's saying it because he's an opportunist who has no ideals.

There is no national ideal or concept or whatever to being Chinese.  Chinese are all about "Let's get rich!", and this crosses borderlines.  The kid himself says that if he could leave China forever, he will.

So: this kid is saying that a terrible tragedy in China is good for him, not as a Chinese person, but because he's an immoral opportunist who only wants to better himself and not his own country.  This may not represent all of China, but as I said already: no one in China believes in anything anymore except what this kid believes in.

A billion other Chinese may not be as callous as this kid, but they sure would jump ship and move to another country if they could.

---Chinese "sure would jump ship and move to another country if they could"?
There were over 52 million Chinese visited so-called democratic Europe, Japan and American last year. They could've "jumped ship" but
they didnt when opportunity allowed. You'd thank God your Hollywood-inspired nightmere didnt come true while the fact is, well, you losers are in China like begga!

And they will all leave once inflation goes rampant and stability goes out the poop chute.

All you're saying is that China is the tops when it comes to economy right now; the problem is that's the only advantage China has going for it right now, what with all the "It's getting better" rhetoric. 

Meanwhile, people are getting poorer, angrier, and more desparate.  Ignore them if you will, but they won't ignore their pain and suffering.  If they're allowed to continue this way, China's GDP is the very last thing that should be on your mind.

I want to ask: do you wumao hang out together when you're not online?  Do you have cool varsity jackets with embroidery? (sewn in installments, 50p at a time).

32 years reform produced a new Chinese proletarien class. But you made yourself a laughing stock by telling me a fat assed capitalist America is caring more of Chinese poor, while you have your own "poorer, angrier, and more desparate" people at home who "won't ignore their pain and suffering". Oh, I almost forget to remind you of over 20 million yank famalies that cannot get enough food! No wonder even some whiteman here joined your faked "wu mao" army.
Go save your own sorry ass and leave China alone. If you really have extra time and energy, try your luck again at NED National Convention where you were denied entry last time unfairly only because you farted too loud and too often, lol!

But it is true.  Chinese bourgeois don't care about the Chinese proletariat.  The purpose of the acquisition of wealth in China isn't to redistribute it - it's to keep it.  You know, like the land barons of old.  That the Communists so thoughtfully once kicked out of power.  So that others may take their place.

Your strategem of "misdirection" would be more successful if you had a point.  And, if I wasn't completely correct - the purest form of capitalism in the world right now exists in China.  Even fat-assed capitalists Americans have "Obamacare" - meanwhile, if you are poor and get sick - to quote Tea Partyers - "you should die".

Again: deny whatever problem you want, but this problem is still your problem.  China may have an education problem in some places, but they certainly don't have a memory problem.  And poor people remember.

Ahem: LOL.

Chinese are everywhere around the globe already. What are you talking about?

What I am talking about is 52 million Chinese visitors to West last year alone dont give a ratass to so-called democracy and so-so rich life and refused to "jumped ship" as you redneck asshole daydreamt.

They already have "jumped ship." What you think Flushing, Queens or Vancouver, Canada are fill of Chinese? WTF you talking about charlie?

Yeah, if you jumped ship and weeped like a baby for a simply Z-visa for immgrant workers.

You keep talking when you know you are wrong. I did not know there were not many men left in China.

I agree with most of your comments except for the part concluding 'no one' in China believes more.

Most of the Chinese people who believe in more than that kid believes either fled the country or ended up in jail. Although by most people I mean less than .1 percent (and that's a pretty optimistic estimation).

yeah this is a very weak defense for a tiny group of conscience Chinese people. I just hate to see this retarded dude representing the entire population, again I have to say he is quite typical...

Funny: if this guy doesn't represent anyone but his own self-interests, why is he on TV?  Wouldn't someone with tact (okay, someone not Chinese) who works at CCTV see this and go "hate boner!" and kill this segment?

Annnyways.  I think Chinese do believe in things - but not as Chinese.  As recent post here on the Shangerist talks about the massive explosion in Christianity -- clearly there is belief, but I'm pointing out the void in which Chinese find themselves and without morals and beliefs.

Being Chinese is about custom and tradition: you just do things because "that's what Chinese do".  You don't understand them or believe in them; you just do them.  Where it goes wrong is when there is no belief system to weigh it out (oh I dunno, like Can't-fucionism).

So.  I think the point of this whole thing isn't that this guy is so callous and self-serving, but the fact that he is a normal product of the culture that made him.  He may be a bad Chinese, but he is soooo Chinese.

Excellent post terroir.  

I'd contend your point about "there is no national idea or concept or whatever to being Chinese".

Actually there is: it is entirely fluid and subject to change at the drop of the hat, usually ending with the phrase "... is a Chinese tradition".  

To paraphrase Li Yang of Crazy English: "Solving family disputes by smacking around my wife is a Chinese tradition."

You whole comment is so dripping with irony, it looks like your car hit an "irony buffalo".  Do you want a towel?

Please don't let your patriotism affect your judgement.  It is a proven fact by the CIA, DoD, and Pentagon that American foreign policy was a major factor in the declaration of holy war and 9/11 attack.

Calvin, are you referring to me, or the kid?

The irony of telling me not to let my patriotism affect my judgement, in response to the topic of a kid letting his patriotism affect his judgement.

I'm not even American, so patriotism has nothing to do with what I said (if you were referring to me)

Regardless of who you were referring to, your point was....what?  Are you trying to excuse the kid's gloating over a terrorist attack that killed thousands of non-combatants?  So some people took umbrage to American foreign policy?  Is that a valid excuse to go blowing up civilians on a massive scale?

I look forward to your clarification.

Anybody that thinks Americans are completely innocent in this situation may be delusional, go take a look at American intervention in the middle east pre-9/11, go look at the links between the CIA, the Russians and Osama, how the Laden family is connected to the Bush family.  We need to change the direction of the anger and blame back to our own foreign policies and ultimately, the government.  People who think that the holy war was declared on us because they hated our way of life and our freedom, they are wrong.  Osama Laden wrote it in his own declaration the reasons this war was started.  Did those near 3000 Americans deserve to die in 9/11? NO.  Did innocent middle eastern civilians deserve to die before and after 9/11? NO.  War is perpetual and unnecessary and we have to be looking at those that benefit from war not those that are victims of it.

That was my point.

Yup, but  we are still keep our nukes pointed to other countries.

We're obviously not friends with the rest of the world so we make them fear us, yea great foreign policy...

"Fences make good neighbors" from Robert Frost

If I was referring to you, I would've clicked reply.  That being said, I was making a separate comment.

yes, it most certainly is. You see, if you are opposed by an enemy with nuclear weapons, aircraft carriers, millions of armed force personnel and a global reach, you can't fight them on a conventional battle field. But that doesn't mean you have to just roll over and take their shit. That's why people use terrorism and IEDs, because that's the only way to fight assholes with nukes and drones.

This is what america fails to get. 911 wasn't an unprovoked attack, it was retaliation for US military action in parts of the world america has no right to be sticking it's nose. It was retaliation for being the world's biggest asshole. It was the school bully getting hit in the face with a baseball bat by one of the kids it picks on every damn day. Now the US sits there with a busted up nose crying like it was the victim. America deserved what it got, and it's clear that US arrogance stopped them from actually learning anything, so chances are, there will be more attacks against US citizens.

 If you don't like that fact, well, maybe you need to take some responsibility for what your government does in your name. 3,000 people died in 911. So what? 400,000 have died in West Papua just so one american mining company can steal their natural resources, and I'll bet you assholes don't even know where west papua is, or the fact your governments have been giving military aid to facilitate genocide at the hands of indonesia for the last 40 years. and that's just one little country. You pull the same shit everywhere in the world, and wonder why america is the most hated country on earth. Do the math you morons.

Like I said, you people got nothing but what you deserved. I was happy after 911 too. George bush said "your with us or you'rre with the terrorists" I decided I'd rather be with the terrorists. wasn't a difficult choice, truth be told. I live in Australia. I'm white. I'm not a communist. But I'm a damn sight better informed than you america patriot robots, spitting your fox news propaganda like it's some kind of factual world view. People have good reasons to be glad when americans die. If you don't like it, change the way you treat the rest of the world. We're not your fucking bitch, and if you keep treating us like it, expect more terrorism.

The only 911 I care about is a turbo.

Well put. Instead of going after the real culprits of 9-11, the Bush adminsitration hijacked the tragedy and used the bogus WMD issue to invade Iraq for oil. Although no Iraqis nor Saddam was involved in the 9-11 attacks, it was still invaded. The consequence is that 100s of thousands of Iraqis died in the ensuing chaos unleashed by the invasion. Blind US support of Israel (the same Israel that used phosphorous bombs on Gaza schools) and its oppression of the Palestinians added fuel to the hatred. 9-11 is an emotional issue for Americans, but it is also celebrated by millions around the world who had sufferred the injustices of American Imperial over reach and invasions for resources. The majority of the 9-11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, a staunch ally of the USA. None of the hijackers came from Iraq, Iran or Afghanistan.

Jesus, do you even stop writing for a moment and check just how many assumptions you've made? Ironically, you're accusing a stranger who questions "Is that a valid excuse to go blowing up civilians on a massive scale?" and then immediately jump to generic rhetoric that only applies to right-wing people who actually watch Fox News. 

And the so-called reasons that people feel justification in their happiness for dead Americans could be applied to just about any major power today.

You my friend, are a prize cock. 

congratulations.

My government does?  Which government is that?  I have said clearly twice I'm not American.  You want me to draw you a picture?

I doubt your aussie, because they have much more class than what you've displayed.

And if you are really Australian, I wouldn't be one to go pointing fingers.  What do they say?  Ah yes, people who live in glass houses and all that.....I'm thinking aborigines as a good example of why you should think twice before slandering America. 

As I said, I'm not American.  European.  I'm not going to say where on a public board.  What I will say is you wouldn't last 2 mins spouting that kind of blind hatred where I come from.  You'd either be glassed or chibbed.  Either way we wouldn't be listening to you for very long.

Your argument that it is ok for anybody to target civilians because, "it's the only way." is strange, to say the least. 

Your post says a lot about you.

Probably won't get a cohesive one in this forum. Wait until the Wu Mao retards BBC_redux and RushHour get wind of your comments and start flaming. Ignorance sure is bliss in these woods I tell you

You obviously “got wind of the comments and started flaming” earlier than I. Sure you have a much better nose, my strayed friend.

LMFAO! How did I guess these two wu mao's would take over full force of this post and flame the only, ignorant, asinine way they know how lol.

What is wumao? Is that what your father pay you as a kid when he ummmm ;)

And retard, it was you mentioning me in the first place, LOL!

Thank you so very much for taking the bait. You've really out shined yourself more than one could have expected lol.  And that wu mao comeback? real cute, simply cute :-)

I've said before, will say it again, can't fix stupid!

I have to say that you nailed it on this one. This used to be a sleepy post, but now has over 70 comments and the average one has now dropped to not having a point.

It'd would be so easy just to say, "This kid is wrong, he doesn't represent Chinese people," but no, this becomes a huge flamefest in which the sovereignty of China is threatened.

This is about as classic as my "Nazi chic" story on chinaSMACK getting wumao to defend some kid dressed as a Nazi who may not even be Chinese.

Wumao: just call this kid a "国贼” - a traitor - and cut your loses.

Talking about ignorance remarks, just go to Yahoo comments pages about China, even when there is a tragedy in China. Many of you retards here called the Uighur militants in Xinjiang Freedom fighters. Do you know why the Muslims hate America??? But then, I guess you are more misinformed. LOL!

Everytime I hear te words proven and fact together I expect there is evidence somewhere where anyone can access freely but no one will bother to go through it all or verify until we setup some origanization body to confirm it all officialy yet no one bothers to care anymore or some other body does not believe the finding.

You could've just asked nicely for proof, I would've happily provided like I will now.  I thought citing the CIA, DoD and Pentagon was credible enough that I actually did the research for you guys but I can see how I should've provided the sources.

CIA: in Michael Sheuer's (CIA bin laden chief) own words
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Department of Defense: Page 40
http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/rep...

"American direct intervention in the Muslim World has paradoxically elevated the statureof and support for radical Islamists, while diminishing support for the United States to 
single-digits in some Arab societies. 
• Muslims do not “hate our freedom,” but rather, they hate our policies."

The drone is only repeating what the system has engrained into his head.   

The irony in what he's saying is mostly lost on them. 

They are confused.  Hardwired through 3 generations of being taught precisely not to think; the motherland is harmonious and heavenly, china good/world bad, etc How can they not be confused?  It's largely not his fault he has no clue what he's saying.  His question at the end, "Shouldn't I?" is confirmation of this in my eyes.  He wants to say what he believes a good Chinese person would say.  He's looking for confirmation or affirmation that it's correct.  He might as well be saying, "I like thinking of blue zebras when the sun goes down."  It has zero meaning for him.

Chinese are mind-bendingly hypocritical.  Hate Japan, yet want Japanese products.  Hate America, yet want to send their kids there.  I also suspect they don't even see the double standards being applied.  It is an internal conflict of what has been drilled into them, and what they as individuals want deep down.

You are sure not smart enough to realize this boy is not alone in this world, even in States.
I remember a gala in Gaza 10 years ago. They don't need a CCP to “engrained into head” or “drilled into them” or “hardwire through 3 generations” to know America’s bullying hegemony, since you guys are not capable to make any reflection and mental improvement in last 10 years and only know how to read 3,000 names in 4 hours, while totally overlooked the million you mass-murdered in name of democracy, even when ME Colour Revolution began to show its true colour.
 
As to Chinese “hate Japan, yet want Japanese products. Hate America, yet want to send their kids there”, it sure apply to so many expats in China too. I I also “suspect they don't even see the double standards being applied”.  So don’t tell me now you don’t hate China at all!

I know where you're going with this but you are wrong again.  And let me tell, when you flip every Channel and see a TV show about the atrocities of war that happened over 60 years everyday almost every hour and then have a tv station dedicated to those shows is a true testament of the hypocrisy. War mongering at its best.  Todays Japan have no interest in future aggressions with China and apologized for the past but yet if you turn on your tv around 9 pm they have documentaries stating that Japan is partnering up with America to take "fisherman islands" from China.  Another documentary about how Japan hates America too and that they should partner up with their enemies to rid of Americas hegemony in the asian front.  Yet they violate international law daily in multiple areas of Asia.  

You can say similar things about America breaking the rules but how do you punish the writers, and the enforcers of such laws?  China just wags fingers and hope that some one heard what they had to say outside of their population.

"Chinese are mind-bendingly hypocritical."

Can't the same be said about other nationalities/ethnicities? Pro-independence Taiwanese (a Chinese variation?) enjoy everything China has to offer, and yet spill hatred toward their “cash cow”. Americans see China as their No.1 enemy but fail to support their workers by boycotting Chinese-made products simply because they’re dirt-cheap. And there you have Koreans smearing China at every opportunity they have on media including in their stupid drama. However the last decade has seen booming Korean expat populations especially in Beijing and Qingdao. And the list goes on.

Well, with any of those other places you may be able to spark a thoughtful debate in which people share opinions.

And then with China, you have Rush and BiBs.

I've been able to have thoughtful debates and discussions with many Chinese. It's not really that difficult...

...if you're in private. If you're in a public forum or in the media, it becomes a completely different matter.

Point being everyone should stop looking silly by getting off their high horse. You don't slash at the whole American people because of nutcases like the Westboro Baptist Church celebrating a tragedy, you don't slash at Chinese because of a morally twisted individual.

I was referring to Rawshower and BBs, and if you feel left out I can include you too.

So if you want to compare yourselve to the Westboro Baptist Church, that's cool.  Remember to act really "boro-ish", your signs need to be a nice colorful rainbow.

Keep trolling for all I care.

I clarified my statement to your reply to me, which as I pointed out is your misunderstanding of my statement.

Troll-ier words have never been uttered.

Ivan, you have a very valid point in that it happens everywhere.  I would like to give you my own personal opinion on how I do not believe it is a simple comparison though. 

Many Chinese (as I pointed out) are ignorant through various means; social conditioning, eduction etc.  They do not have enough data to be able to make what I would regard as an informed decision on many topics.  I do not hold it against them when they make ridiculous statements, as has the kid above.

I watched a fascinating documentary with Louis Theroux on the Westboro baptist church.  In my opinion, most of them are genuinely sick individuals.  The adults especially, not so much the kids.  The adults cannot plead ignorance when it comes to their beliefs.  They are all very aware of both sides of the argument, yet they perpetrate the sickest of ideologies.  The kids in the congregation could be likened to Chinese.  They are force fed the highest grade bullshit possible, and have no choice but to accept it.  If they do not, as some have, they are ostracized from the group (their own families) and eventually cast out if they do not conform.

As to your examples above, I do not have enough knowledge on the specifics of the first and third examples to say either way.  The second one is simple though, and I am surprised you picked it.  It is simple economics.  America cannot just turn around and slap huge tariffs on all Chinese imports.  There's a word for that, it's called protectionism.  Aside from the fact the WTO would have a field day.  It has been proven since the post war years that protectionism doesn't work.

I am also highly suspicious of your claim that Americans see China as their no. 1 enemy.  Maybe some do, perhaps even a moderate percentage.  But not every American does, and to make such a sweeping statement with little or no supporting evidence only detracts strength from your argument.

Funny you discount my claim when you make yours regarding Chinese based on, let me guess, 1.) what you watch/read/hear on the media/the Internet 2.) Chinese you associate with (though I doubt you even know any in real life). Yes, many Chinese are ignorant as you say. And that's excusable considering citizens of the First World are as well ignorant even though with rich media resources available to them. Hint: People of the country starting with a letter A don't even know their States. Anyway, fact is, Chinese are way less hostile to and abhorrent of America than what you lot imply here, which is wrong, misleading and nowhere near fact-based.

"Funny you discount my claim when you make yours regarding Chinese based
on, let me guess........" - 8+ continuous years living, working and traveling in China.  Your comment on me probably not knowing any Chinese beggars belief.  I am posting on a website based on life in Shanghai and I have made multiple comments which would clearly illustrate to any simpleton that I am no foreigner to the subject.  Strange indeed.

Maybe you didn't get my point.  My point was Chinese are ignorant through social conditioning.  It's not their fault.  At no point did I say foreigners were not ignorant.  Most foreigners however, who could be regarded as ignorant, are through stupidity, disinterest, boredom etc.  With the possible exception of America, who's media outlets are undeniably biased in one way or the other.  Still, they always have the ability to switch the channel if they want to hear something different.  Chinese cannot.

Nowhere did I even remotely suggest Chinese were hostile and/or abhorrent towards America.

How would I know if you are a Shanghai-based expat or a basement-bound Internet warrior? I’m not here every day or reading every comment for that matter. I know perfectly well what you mean by social conditioning. And that’s exactly where you’re wrong. For starters, stop homogenising and standardising the Chinese socio-political landscape. It’s
far more diverse than that in the eye of the Laowai.

I have to agree with Rushie here, you lot
are not entitled to meeting the “good people” in China just because of anything. This "entitlement sentiment" is one of the absurd traits among expats. What makes you think your Chinese business adventure must be a guaranteed success? Because you think the locals are backward retards or your Laowai background automatically translates to a God-given ability of creativity? And unfortunately many of them holding such pre-assumptions of impracticability are high school dropouts while we have college graduates slaving their arses off in sweatshops. Get real people. When you have bumps on the road in this country, it could be that China really sucks, or you just don’t have it in yourself. And those enjoying their "pop star" treatment, (though I hate to say this), perhaps should wak up to the reality they're feeding the hungry gaze of human zoo spectators.

And now back to the bigoted ignorant retarded Chinese thingie. You know what, I really can’t be arsed to argue over this anymore. Because it’s not true and I’m happy to leave you to believe in what you want to. I like the fact there’re thoughts we share between the East and
the West, such as “birds of a feather flock together”. Maybe you have all the undesired people around you – simply because you’re (considered) one of them. Just saying.

I will back his claim up.  Many Chinese in China are mind blowingly ignorant and border line retarded.  All jokes aside its a truly backwards country almost to the point of being alien.  I lived in Beijing considered to be the most nui ni city in China with the best of the best but from my experience it wasn't anything close to roses.

what I meant was that Beijing to China is considered to be the Paris of France, the Los Angeles of California the Tijuana of Mexico. Its synonymous with being a great city in China.   Its the number 1 city to experience what main stream China is about.  But from my experience over the years its just like the rest of the Country its a giant hell hole over crowded with incompetent, ass backward, drone bee, working ant introverts. This includes Shanghai, Shenzhen, and anything that is  claimed under  the Hong Qi.  I don't tour in China, I don't teach in China I do business in China and 1 thing I do is rub shoulders with the "theoretically"  best China has to offer. One thing I noticed is that at the surface of it all it may look good, on TV, on paper and from afar but spend some time interacting, learning the culture, imbedding your life with theirs you begin to see the light that China is a GIANT POLISHED TURD.  Their are the exceptions im not going to sit here and type 100% bullshit but the percentage of thick shit is up there in the danger zone. Im highly analytical and thats my job so by nature im going to notice subtle flaws, enigmas, and quirks where ever I go . Fortunately China is the topic at hand.

There's something wrong with being introverted? Shit. I've been "embedded" in this country for years and I don't get what's so wrong. Maybe it's your closed-mindedness that is the problem here.

If I was closed minded I wouldn't have stayed so long. If you walked in my shoes and many others you would understand, unfortunately it is another matter with you where your experience or your way of adapting is far more in tuned to what is tolerable.  Congratulation you are a rare specimen or you actually got the royal treatment every step of the way or just completely oblivious and or just antagonizing.

Best of the best? Really? There are at least a dozen cities that would rate better than that commie craphole. Spend more time in Shanghai, Nanjing, Xiamen or Qingdao. Beijing is a nightmare.

Just spent some time in all but xiamen and im in Qindao as I type and I have to say Beijing is about even with Shanghai, not impressed with Qiandao, and just as much as a nightmare as Beijing.

WHo siad you were entitled to meet the "best of the best" in town while you cannot guarantee you are not the worst of the worst in your home. Some expats must be arrogant and funny idiot to ever presume they are qualified to rub shoulders with any Chinese "best of the best"  while in fact nobody will grant them a second glance at home.

Never said I was entitled but if you watch Propaganda TV (CCTV) as much as I do on the flight to Shanghai, in the hotels in Ho Hot, Taiwanese satellite programming that pretty much leaves anyone  the impression that this Beijing is the heart of China. Essentially they are right but not impressed.   My daily briefings with corporate, and meetings with ambassadors, consulates, and or other bureaucratic officials on both sides  of the table the same scenario gets played out 9 out of 10 times and it blows my mind how thicks sludge is here as well as the rest of China.  In the end everything has to flow back to Beijing if you want to get things done or not.  

And RushHOUR1 you must really be speaking from your own experience not everyone from their nation blends in like you and the rest of the Chinese. ASSuming that why you came to China to be noticed?  Did you come to China looking for money and love?  Unfortunately I was the best prospect for the job and no one else wanted to leave their simple way of life where I came from.  I have to tell it was one of the worst good decisions I've ever made next to marrying 1 of these bitches.  Think about it.

Since when was Beijing considered "the most nui ni(bi?) city in China"? Not dissing our great city and its people, but they don't even like people from outside town, what do you expect here? Hope you left already - there is no point in living where you are not comfortable. And please don't make me have to repeat this - people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You sure what you say about Chinese doesn't reflect people of where you come from?

Thank you for clearly explaining the state of ignorance people live in in China. And using the word ignorance isn't demeaning. People can't help their ignorance's if they've never been taught better. It's just sad.

Americans need drone to fight our wars, produce our shit, and take our worthless money. The Chineses have a lot of them and we can use them.