ChinaSmack has translated this video about the different ways laowai (foreigners) and waidiren (outsiders) are treated in major Chinese cities. Needless to say, the laowai have things pretty good.Read the full transcript at ChinaSmack.
I'm sorry, but this is a load of shit. Yes there might be some “facts” in here about taxes and what not, but this is so far from the truth. Even visiting Beijing is not pleasant, they are very raciest (so I and other friends have experienced) towards non-chinese people. Do you know how hard it is to get a cab in Beijing if your not chinese? Do you know how much in Bribes you have to pay in order to open a business? (even if you are well connected). Don't forget how EVERYONE is trying to rip you off if your not chinese. THe price wil triple at least. The bit about not paying taxes unless you make 4800 a month? I have NEVER met a forefinger has come to china to anything less then 10k a month. (Sure maybe i'm “spoiled”)
I could sit here for another hour and write a list of how this video is wrong and how chinese usually get better treatment then forefingers, but I don't have that kinda time.
being white is great in china. this is a fact. The mere fact that you can look white and teach english is a testament in itself. oh, tits can get you anywhere, but in china, bosoms open doors.
Yes, much better treatment than forefingers, but how about foreigners?
Anyways, the video is deeply flawed, however, it is illustrative of how little Chinese people know about the lives of foreigners in China.
As you say, I doubt there's very many people here working for less than 4,800 RMB/month as a foreigner, however, that's a pretty decent wage for fresh college grads – and no one less than 10k? That's what a college grad makes after 3-5 years in their business, and yet, foreigners can make that just getting off the boat. And you're going to complain about not being able to pick up a cab?
Anyways – you seemed to have missed the real point of the video which was not contrasting the life between Chinese people and foreigners, but it was about how beijing people treated two different types of people from other places. 外的人 vs. 外国人。In your excitement to get offended you missed the real point of the contrast.
Struck the same in Taiwan. My wife is Asian, but not Chinese and they knew it and wouldn't talk or help her either. Europeans were helping us in front of the locals who stood around waiting for the next Chinese to greet and bow to. We are only a small company, but we took our business elsewhere.
Now I wasn't there, so I can't say for sure, but this doesn't ring true to me at all. Taiwanese are the friendliest and most open Chinese people in greater China. If I were to hear about this incident, my first thought is “I'm embarrassed about making a mistake in English or not being able to understand, so I won't make a move” I would be willing to be bet large amounts of money that “I hate white people and non-Chinese asians so fuck Bob Muir and his Asian but not Chinese wife” was NOT the thought that was going through anyone's head.
Has anyone ever heard of a “WaiDiRen” referred to as “LaoWai”?
When you go through the airport in Taiwan and you watch the Europeans asking for help at the information counter and are told in poor English that they speak little English and the supervisor has a quick chat to those who are suppose to help, and then they totally ignore you. A Chinese friend came up behind us and asked the same questions as us and got a great greeting and all the info he needed. They nearly bent over backwards pointing him in the right direction. Then he told them and the supervisor, he watched those at the information counter how they treated none Chinese and he called out in English if anyone needs help and these people won't help, call for the airport manager. All of a sudden, English is no problem.
I'm sorry – this story as you've written here makes no sense. Of course your Chinese friend got help – he was speaking Chinese. Either that or you need to clean up how you write this anecdote, because I can't follow what you've written here. Are you sure the issue is Taiwanese racism? Maybe it's that your English isn't that clear.
I've been to Taiwan probably over 30 times in the last 20 years and the people there are the friendliest in Greater China, but the level of English ability is not very good when compared to most othery big Chinese cities. Obviously Singapore and Hong Kong are the tops, but I'd rank Taipei's English levels below Shanghai, Hong Kong and even places like Guangzhou, Hangzhou and Chengdu.
All of this is besides the point. The point was to compare how Beijingers (who are decidedly not in Taiwan) treat foreigners vs. how they treat “country hicks” even though they're both 外X人
Well I can't comment on the truth or not of other foreigners. Yes, most foreigners make 5-10x the amount the average Chinese person makes within the first week of coming to China. It is a sad but true. I”m pointing out that people in Beijing tend to be raciest. (more so then most other Chinese cities I have been to) this is not just the opinion of me, I have heard it from many people. ANYWAYS.
Fact of the matter is yes, most foreigners are treated very differently, in different forms of “racism” or “Favoritism”. LIke I said, a sad part of life but that is just the way it is right now. Yes, I do think it will change in time, but who knows how long.
I would LOVE to see some other foreigners (not white) comment on what it is like to live in these cites, how they are treated etc….
Don't forget being blond.
that is a worthy test: blond hair or big tits getting a better service in china. i say tits just coz its more expensive to get big tits compared to a dye job.
The video states that Beijing has 8 million wai di ren, then it says 7 million. The actual number is probably way higher. Shanghai has 10 million wai di ren. And that's part of the problem.
The Tier 1 cities here need fewer wai di ren and more wai guo ren. But the trend is actually the opposite.Shanghai is projected to have 30 million by 2025, with most of them living in the center areas. Guess where the extra millions will come from.
What do you mean “The Tier 1 cities here need fewer wai di ren and more wai guo ren?”
The Tier 1 cities ( ie. Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Shenzhen) are growing by about one-half million to one million people every year. How? The local residents are not all of a sudden having 4-5 babies. And the waiguoren are not exactly flooding Chinese cities.
Despite the occasional calls for laowais to go back home(!), these Chinese cities have the least percentage of foreign-born residents from any other major developing country (under 0.8% in both Shanghai and Beijing).
So the answer is, they grow by a huge influx of waidiren, who the vast majority have no higher education, are relatively unskilled, and, if anything, are a huge drain on cities' resources.
The Chinese government is lately “screaming and begging” for skilled, higher-educated foreigners to come to the big Chinese cities (see the latest visa regulations), but at the moment all they are getting is Chinese migrant workers moving around.
15 years visiting China and I've never had a problem getting a taxi.
I tend to find the people in Sichuan the raciest – the la meizi in particular.
Don't forget how EVERYONE is trying to rip you off if your not chinese.
Well, in the big cities maybe. In the country people remain as amazing as ever – hospitable, welcoming and without even the concept of ripping people off (and I'm not talking about some tourist hell hole like Lijiang, Dali or Yangshuo).
So totally counter to the common experience in Taiwan that I find it very hard not to think that your bad experience is down to poor attitude. A smile and courtesy gets you buy in most places, in Taiwan more than most.
Yes, if they're from Xinjiang.
Yes, we did all that and everyone off the plane and other flights coming through were treated the same, and as the Chinese friend coming through with us explained, it's the same as the Quebecqua. Before the ink dried on our business visas, we went back to Singapore and relocated to the Philippines. We have always been courteous when going through airports and customs, maybe those managing the information booth and the supervisor inside the airport before going through customs, have a problem with certain travellers.
I have never had an issue OTHER than Beijen getting a Taxi.
It depends on what you do and where. In Shanghai and Beijing, assuming everyone is doing what They are supposed to (idealistic, I know, but nobody plays by all the rules) then all the expats should have college degrees already as well as multiple years of work experience. They shouldn't be Joe Schmoe loser bum, even though China seems to hire a lot of those.
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